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VRRP 85

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Peter H. Schmidt writes "As the world increasingly relies upon the Internet and TCP/IP-based networks, their reliability and availability have become pressing topics for both enterprises and service providers. The Internet was designed for resiliency, not the 99.999% uptime of the PSTN, but it is now being required to do both jobs. This book on VRRP -- the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol -- details the open, RFC-track protocol which has been developed to help ensure that edge router failures can be handled automatically without affecting connectivity." Peter's complete review (below) is interesting even if you never have to deal with the network at this level.
VRRP Increasing Reliability and Failover with the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol
author Ayikudy Srikanth, Adnan Adam Onart
pages 540
publisher Addison Wesley
rating Recommended
reviewer Peter H. Schmidt
ISBN 0201715007
summary An in-depth review of VRRP that is loaded with helpful and informative details.

Protocols that allow for automatic failover to a backup router have been around for a while, but they are proprietary, including Digital's IP Standby Protocol (IPSTB) and Cisco's more well known Hot Standby Routing Protocol (HSRP). These protocols have been used successfully for years, but as with all proprietary protocols, they lock users into one vendor. Plus, the test of time has shown there are ways in which they can be improved upon. VRRP has been developed in response.

VRRP lets you set up groups of routers to cover for each other, with each group acting like one virtual router with it's own MAC and IP addresses. If the main router in a group should go down, the others will quickly (in under 3-4s, typically) notice and one of them will be elected to take over. VRRP makes it easy to set up multiple routers with multiple WAN connections and make sure that WAN connectivity won't be lost if a router goes down.

As the open alternative to HSRP, you can count on VRRP being widely supported by the router vendors. Even Cisco is shipping it now. If you design, build or install routed networks of any size, VRRP is something you probably need to learn about.

Read This Book!

Let me just say up front that I think this is a very good book, and worth the read. As the title says, it is all about how to increase the reliability and failover capability of your network. VRRP is its subject, but it is treated with a thoroughness and attention to context I have rarely seen in a protocol text. Perhaps that follows from the fact that reliability and availability are only of concern due to economics; few protocols are developed to meet a business need, so most books on them never need to get beyond defining where they fit in their protocol family. Despite the context material, I found it easy to jump to the low-level technical details, yet was somewhat surprised to find myself actively enjoying the extensive introductory material.

Srikanth and Onart have put a wealth of background into the book. The first chapter treats network availability from a theoretical perspective, but does it so clearly and enjoyably that I read it straight through and felt I had learned some valuable new concepts. It also gave me all the context necessary to easily follow their discussion of the need for, conceptual operation of, and benefits from VRRP in Chapter 2.

Part II, comprising Chapters 3-6, presents the protocol, discussing its messages, state machine and issues with different LAN technologies, firewalls, tunnels and VPNs. I found this a useful complement to the RFC. Here is where I found the details I always look for first when confronting a new protocol: how many messages are there, how many states, what kind of implementation trade offs are going to be necessary? I particularly appreciated the abundance of clear, annotated diagrams in this part of the book, though they aren't confined to these chapters alone.

The chapters of Part III concern themselves with managing VRRP, and what is noteworthy here are the numerous examples of how you can configure and manage realistic scenarios. Juniper and Nortel routers are used in the examples, and you are given step by step instructions on using SNMP, the CLIs and a GUI (HP Openview). If I had to set a customer up with a redundant router configuration tomorrow, I would grab these chapters first thing.

Part IV may be the most useful part of the book for the experienced network engineer. Chapter 10 presents an excellent discussion of the pros and cons of VRRP vs HSRP and IPSBP, and includes some nice summary tables. Chapter 11 discusses the future of VRRP, and answered many of the niggling "How would it handle this scenario?" questions which had popped up as I read how the current VRRP works.

The final section of the book is comprised of 200 pages of appendices. They start with a moderately brief but well done overview of TCP/IP and IP networks. That is followed by the complete VRRP MIB. Then we are given Linux source from http://w3.arobas.net/~jetienne/vrrpd/ and a nice commentary on it. Next is a thorough explanation of the SDL (Specification and Description Language) and flowcharts which were used to define the state machine in Part II. And if this isn't enough rigor for you, you'll be pleased that the following appendix using first-order predicate calculus to specify VRRP yet more clearly. (If you don't know what first-order predicate calculus is, just feel lucky and skip that part...) The final appendix covers UML, the Unified Modeling Language, which also is used in Part II to show how VRRP state transitions occur.

What's Not to Like?

There is very little to object to about this book. If it has a fault, it may be that it is a bit too comprehensive. VRRP is actually a fairly simple protocol, and I write that as someone who has designed and implemented protocol stacks for over 8 years. The level of rigor and detail put into VRRP in this book are worthy of something as hairy as OSPF or BGP4. I found myself getting lost in the notational details of their examples at times, they were so exactingly detailed, but I found that if I just looked at the diagram and skipped to the last paragraph, I'd get what I needed. This book would actually make a pretty good reference book on networking in general, there's so much here!

FAQs

What level of experience is needed to make good use of the information in the book?

This book has all the intro material a novice to networking could want, yet has it all so well organized that it is easy for the advanced reader to find the interesting details.

Who will find it most useful? Is there an existing, canonical book that already covers the same ground?

I think this book would be most useful for enterprise network designers, implementers and operations people, no matter what their current skill level. I couldn't find another book on VRRP, so it's good that the only game in town right now is a good book.

Is the book readable as well as technically accurate? Is the language stilted, or natural? Are examples easy to follow?

The book is very readable - unusually so. As for accuracy, I didn't notice anything amiss, and I used to QA stuff like this. Good use of language, and a ton of excellent examples.

Is the depth appropriate?

This book dives deep, but not without plenty of warning and acclimatization first for people not quite ready for the open ocean.

Are the illustrations appropriate and well executed?

Excellent, clear illustrations.

Do any extras come with the book, like a CD-ROM of additional information or code samples?

You get a full printout of the VRRP MIB, as well as commented source code.

What's missing from the book? Would it benefit from illustrations, a better index, a final chapter on practical applications?

Nothing significant.

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  • Patent issues? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by paja ( 610441 )
    Is there any mighty /dotter, who can present royalty/patent status of IBM and Cisco claiming, that parts of VRRP are patented by these companies?
    • I too am interested in any recent knowledge about this. IIRC Cisco went after Alcatel over their use of VRRP.

      It's a shame, because the protocol isn't that bad. (though, certain implementations and their tendency to conduct VRRP wars may be ;)

      The whole thing made me look for an alternative. I ended up investigating the Linux-HA [linux-ha.org] project. They didn't really have support for failing over when the box became unreachable from the network (this is a desired behavior with certain shared storage apps and such) so I concocted a plugin called ipfail. All of that has since been included in the recent releases of heartbeat. It's sort of a second-best solution as I think VRRP is really the answer here, but hopefully others will be able to benefit from it.
      • Cisco owns RFC 2281 Hot-Standby Router Protocol (HSRP), a work-alike to VRRP. For all intents and purposes, they perform the exact same function, using extremely similar mechanisms. I don't think there are any real patent issues, since the state path each protocol uses is quite dissimilar, but due to the fact they both solve the exact same problem, the internals are somewhat alike (the hello interval/timer, the fail interval/timer, etc.) I don't know if Cisco's ever pushed the issue; perhaps someone could elaborate on that. Although I do know that HSRP has been around longer.
        • In this [theaimsgroup.com] e-mail Robert Barr from Cisco answers to the main developer of keepalived [keepalived.org] that Cisco will not attack VRRP implementations unless a patent claim is asserted against Cisco. Unfortunately he also states that he expects that IBM's stance on this is the opposite of Cisco's.

  • Wow! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by stratjakt ( 596332 )
    This guy sure is excited about this book.

    I'm excited that Sominex is now available in paperback form.

    This is the type of stuff I read on a need-to-know basis.. Ie; I need to implement it, so I get the book. Until then, just knowing what VRRP stands for is enough for most.
    • True, and, I would rather download it from the publisher for a much smaller fee (or, at least, several chapters worth for free to ensure any future $$$ is well spent) than to pay the $55.00 for the print version. (Or, worse, for it to have to be back-ordered when I really need it.)

    • Re:Wow! (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I really can't believe someone managed to write a book on this. VRRP itself (as in the protocol) is dead simple, which is why it's absurd that cisco got a patent on it. its so simple that it basically the same concept as HSRP, which is why the cisco patent does apply to VRRP, so it's not open/free at all.

      where things do get a bit more complex, is in the decision processes that specific implementations feed into setting priorities in VRRP packets. if you say, this VRRP instance has priorty 200, but less 20 if interface X goes down, which makes for a imensely more useful VRRP implementation, you start infringing more patents. nortel have one in europe i think that covers adjusting priorties according to interface states, i think theres a more general one too that bases decision on the presence or lack of specific routes in the routing table.

      until these patents expire, vrrp is a closed protocol. but, it's soo simple anyway, that unless you are specifically concerned about interoperating with other boxes on the network, there is usually "another way" that's "just as good".

      the most interesting thing about vrrp is that it makes a very clear case of how patents can be abused to the disadvantage of non-corporations.

  • Router problems (Score:4, Insightful)

    by defile ( 1059 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @11:41AM (#4843894) Homepage Journal

    In my experience, downtime is caused more by router misconfigurations and not physical problems: peer router broadcasts bad information and takes down a network, admin discovers that the backup route wasn't configured properly at all, admin reboots a set of routers only to find that the TFTP server hosting the OS hasn't been running for 3 months, etc. :)

    The protocol seems like it will do nothing to address this. However, physical outages do tend to last longer than misconfiguration outages, so this protocol may help yet.

    • Re:Router problems (Score:3, Informative)

      by mosch ( 204 )
      I have significant experience with VRRP and can attest that it's a Good Thing(tm). I've used it on border routers, on load balancers and on SSL accelerators, and it's incredibly useful not just for preventing unplanned downtime, but it also makes it easy to fail to a second router, upgrade the primary router, then cut back to the primary router and upgrade the secondary router without ever having downtime.

      And honestly, if you're having significant problems due to router misconfiguration, you should really consider replacing your network staff. A few glitches are to be expected, but if they're causing more downtime than your hardware, perhaps they need to study up before they're allowed near your production kit.

    • Imagine this: two routers, each with a link to a remote site (ie T1 and a frame) each plugged into a different switch. If either router fails/reboots ect everything still works. If a switch dies the other router begins running as the def. gateway. If one wire gets cut or unplugged taking down a router the other routes. If one circuit goes down, data continues to flow. I have used HSRP extensively, it can save you from MANY physical failures and service outages when deployed properly. As far as having so many misconfigurations, get a new engineer. Cheers!
    • In my experience, I have found exactly the opposite. I work in a telco, and the majority of our customers use frame-relay or isdn to connect. You are correct when you say that the majority of the issues are caused by humans, but it's usually at the telco network level. I rarely see misconfigured routers( Except at install, rarely will an install go as planned). Anyhow, weird to see this view, seems most of the people I know who do this for a living rarely ever tweak their routers once they are up and running.

      As far as your point on physical outages lasting longer...that's very true. If I can console in via modem or telnet, I can fix a misconfiguration.
    • In my experience, downtime is caused more by router misconfigurations and not physical problems

      What is your experience based on? I work in the NOC of a major telecom provider and I would say 80% of outages are related to physical circuit problems or router/card crashes. Configuration issues usually get noticed and solved during the implementation phase of a network.

      • What is your experience based on?

        Working with ISPs. Most of the time any outages are explained to us as a router misconfigurations or some weird event happening that caused some weird problem. At this level the ISP peers with a lot of other third party ISPs so there's naturally a smaller degree of coordination. I couldn't speak for large internal organizational networks.

        Who knows, maybe the ISPs have dozens of hardware failures that they recover from without missing a beat.

  • Huh? It seems I must have missed something important...

    As far as I knew the TCP/IP architecture was designed to provide a very failsafe and reliable network which should be able to keep running if half of it would be blasted away by a nuclear attack.

    But it isn't? Damn... Hey, let's not tell it to the American government!

    • Re:Reliability of TCP (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      TCP isn't the whole story tho. Don't forget aobut those UDP nameserver lookups...

      We're dealing with the IP level here.

      The internet is supposed to be reasonably intelligent about routing traffic around broken hardware, but the hardware that performs this task is not designed to be redundant/resilliant.

      i.e. if your core router breaks, your core breaks.

      VRRP is all about getting two routers/firewalls to act as a single unit, intelligently failing over as required.

      I've been using VRRP for about 5 years now on Nokia IPSO and Linux boxes. I have to say it's a great solution. It really does mean that all your problems are config errors. Hardware failure is not an issue.

      • Actually VRRP is not about two devices acting as a single unit (that's clustering), VRRP is hot-standby. The virtual IP gives an illusion of a single device, but the devices are independent of each other and really have nothing in common

        I've also setup many Nokia IPSO systems and always felt good they have been ahead of most people by natively supporting VRRP. Monitored circuit is also pretty much a requirement too. The problem with hot-standby systems though is that there is always one system sitting idle. At first it's fine, but after a few years you think "Why do I have two devices (router, firewall, etc.) and only one is ever active?". And no, running something like OSPF or a load balancer to rotate between multiple VRRP addresses just adds nothing but uncessary complexity to a design. Nokia is now starting to push their clustering in IPSO 3.6 as a replacement for VRRP. For those of us who have used Nokia IPSO systems, VRRP is certainly nothing new, but by the time the rest of the industry finally picks up on it the we'll probably have dropped it in favor of clustering.

        What amazes me most though is how people manage to write 560 page books on a topic that can be discussed in a few pages.

    • Yes, the Internet is very reliable in the big picture, but things like BGP routes can take about 5 minutes to update. Just think how irritated we are when Slashdot is "off the map" for five minutes while the routers update their tables? That is reliability at work. What the VRRP tries to accomplis is to take that from 5 minutes to less than 5 SECONDS or sub-second.

      Side note: When your service providor says that they have "99.999%" uptime to the Internet, ask them if their up-stream providors ever have routing/router problems... Since "Five Nines" a year equates to "five minutes" of downtime per year, a single BGP route update is five minutes. In the real world, if an ISP is up >99.9% of the time (99.9% == 8.8 hours) using a simplistic monitoring (pinging their outside routers, pinging the firewall I am behind, etc) then I am happy.

  • good review (Score:3, Funny)

    by haa...jesus christ ( 576980 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @11:53AM (#4843968)
    what's up with all the good book reviews on slashdot lately? well-written, to the point, etc. - what gives? :)

  • hmm (Score:3, Funny)

    by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @11:58AM (#4843995) Journal
    >> If it has a fault, it may be that it is a bit too comprehensive.

    This is awful!

    How can I look down my noses at the others in my office with the air of superiority that comes with understanding more of the geeky technicalities of our computer system than they do?

    If they keep writing technical books that people can understand, we'll all be relegated to memorizing the stats on Pokemon playing cards!

    Burn this book. It's a witch I tells ya.

  • Not Open enough for OpenBSD (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ostiguy ( 63618 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @12:01PM (#4844003)
    Cisco maintains patent encumberances upon VRRP - if you use/sell VRRP, and get into a completely unrelated patent/licensing/whathaveyou war with Cisco, Cisco maintains the right to seek damages for your use of VRRP.

    I have come to see the merits of this position (dhartmei@ makes a good case, btw ;-) ) . The OpenBSD guys have been sitting on a VRRP package for *years* that they cannot include because this is not really an open standard.

    Why does Cisco do this? It may be that they are pissy because HSRP wasn't accepted as the standard. Or they might be looking for protection as they might be afraid other people could have patent claims against stuff that might underlie VRRP - and thus these encumberances could allow them to enact a legal war of attrition as each side has competiting patent claims that would ensure deadlock.

    ostiguy
    • It's just as well that HSRP wasn't accepted as the standard. It uses a totally proprietary scheme which can be broken if the switch connecting all the routers in a standby group doesn't like it.

      For example, the Nortel Passport 8000 will clobber your HSRP group if in the unfortunate instance two HSRP routers send hello packets at the same time. As far as the switch goes, it sees a packet from the same source address in two different ports at the same time...then it shuts off the ports for a short bit, and when it all comes back, both routers think they're active because a two-way dialoge can't happen due to switch blocking. The only known remedy that I've heard of is to reset the switch and that disrupts everyone else's communications.

      I got the whole scoop on this problem dealing with a major east coast University this weekend. According to Nortel, this is not a bug, so VRRP is on the docket to be implemented.

      HSRP is great...but unless you're running an all-Cisco shop, it can be a pain in the ass. This is why a standards-based protocol was needed.
      • IMO, that's a Passport problem. What? Nortel? Yah, I remember them. Worst support in the industry. Didn't they buy Bay Networks? SNMP hell what?

        I don't know if you've looked at the packet formatting and design of HSRP versus VRRP, but they're pretty much the same. They both implement a multicast group to which both sides broadcast, sourcing from the configured interface IP, at regular intervals. They both use a half-duplex configuration mode a-la PPP's LCP negotiation, at which point they elect the virtual MAC and decide who's going to own it. After that, they make an ARP broadcast so that all the hosts on the segment know where their virtual gateway is. If the hellos ever fail to arrive in a timely fashion to the secondary (or tertiary or whatever, priority is configurable for both protocols), the secondary sends the same ARP broadcast to updated the L2 forwarding database and the hosts' ARP tables. Depending on how you set it up, when connectivity to the primary is restored, it either takes back ownership of the virtual gateway, or leaves it on the secondary.

        As for standards-based, HSRP is described in detail in RFC 2281.
    • I hadn't heard about the Cisco patents. Does that mean Nokia has paid money to Cisco (and set a precedent), or are they thumbing their noses at them?
    • Cisco maintains patent encumberances upon VRRP - if you use/sell VRRP, and get into a completely unrelated patent/licensing/whathaveyou war with Cisco, Cisco maintains the right to seek damages for your use of VRRP. I have come to see the merits of this position (dhartmei@ makes a good case, btw ;-) ) . The OpenBSD guys have been sitting on a VRRP package for *years* that they cannot include because this is not really an open standard.

      Cisco just said - if you have patents on VRRP - do not sue us and we will not sue you. Nothing more, nothing less.

      OpenBSD guys are just overreacted IMHO. FreeBSD and Linux guys do not care...

  • No Open Source implementation because of Patent? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gehirntot ( 133829 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @12:01PM (#4844007)
    From reading the web [www.foo.be], it seems that no open source implementation is possible unless a license has been obtained from Cisco.

    I am not aware of any open source project that has ships VRRP. The IETF has received more information from Cisco about their Intellectual Possession [ietf.org] in regards to VRRP.

  • Publisher's site/sample chapter. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gatekeep ( 122108 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @12:01PM (#4844011)
    Here's the publisher's page on this book. [aw.com] It even includes a sample chapter. [aw.com]

    Enjoy

  • [ More Pages Like This ] (Score:5, Informative)

    by ekrout ( 139379 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @12:06PM (#4844035) Journal
    Home Web page of the VRRP working group :: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/vrrp-charter.htm l [ietf.org]

    VRRP Internet draft :: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-vrr p-spec-v2-06.txt [ietf.org]

    VRRP for IPv6 :: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-vrr p-ipv6-spec-03.txt [ietf.org]

    VRRP RFC :: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2338.txt [ietf.org]

    Email the chair of VRRP :: mailto:Mukesh.Gupta@nokia.com [mailto]

    Mailing list archive :: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf-mail-archive/vrrp/* [ietf.org]

  • VRRP OpenSource code (Score:4, Interesting)

    by andi_nip ( 632602 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @12:30PM (#4844206)
    I am very VERY surprise that nobody is talking about Keepalived (www.keepalived.org). This is the most advanced VRRPv2 code available in the OpenSource community. In addition it extend VRRPv2 rfc with a synchronization instances code that is very usefull for making persistent routing path. many extensions available.... Keepalived is wonderfull code after 2 years of debugging it is now STABLE and ready for production. the old code from jerome etienne is very draft and really not secure... look at Keepalived if you want to play with VRRP on linux.

  • Wackamole (Score:2, Informative)

    by RCwyvern ( 122150 )
    Wackamole (www.wackamole.org) can be used to do this for routers running Linux, Solaris, or FreeBSD. Its open sourced, and freely available.

  • Reliance on Secondary Routing Protos... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jcostom ( 14735 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @12:53PM (#4844426) Homepage
    <disclaimer>I work for Nokia, though don't speak on behalf of the company.</disclaimer>

    One problem with VRRP v2 as it stands today. Imagine a case where you have two parallel routers and are running VRRP. If you experience an interface failure on your primary router. Ok, that interface fails over to the secondary unit. Since you only experienced an interface failure (let's suppose this is a pair of edge routers), say on the outside. Because the inside i/f of the router is still up, you need a secondary routing protocol to direct the traffic to the secondary router - introducing an asymmetric routing condition. This is easily done with OSPF.

    Consider the case, however, that we're no longer talking about routers, but instead firewalls. This condition can wreak havoc with your firewalls state tracking mechanism if your firewall's connection state tracking mechanism is either not shared with the redundant unit, or your connection is fast enough that reply packets arrive before connection data is sync'd.

    Enter extensions to VRRP like VRRP Monitored Circuits (aka VRRPmc), from Nokia. If you're running Nokia firewalls (which run Check Point for those who don't know), you're probably using VRRPmc.

    When you configure VRRPmc, you monitor the other interfaces in use for VRRP. If one of those other interfaces goes down, you decrement your VRRP priority value by a pre-defined delta value, which if you've calculated correctly, will cause the primary unit to begin advertising VRRP priorities that are lower than what the secondary unit is advertising, thereby causing the virtual ips/macs to shoot over to the secondary unit, rather than just the i/f that failed. On the wire, it still looks like good old VRRP. I'd like to see either the monitored circuits method, or something similar implemented in the mainstream VRRP protocol.

    • Re:Reliance on Secondary Routing Protos... (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      www.keepalived.org provide its own internal way to deal with monitored-circuit like... (called vrrp synchronized group)

    • Re:Reliance on Secondary Routing Protos... (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Easy solution:
      Firewall Load Balancing

      Alteon switches (in a sandwiched pair) maintain persistency across firewalls while load balancing and health checking all the way though clean and dirty sides to ensure redundancy.
    • When you configure VRRPmc, you monitor the other interfaces in use for VRRP. If one of those other interfaces goes down, you decrement your VRRP priority value by a pre-defined delta value, which if you've calculated correctly, will cause the primary unit to begin advertising VRRP priorities that are lower than what the secondary unit is advertising, thereby causing the virtual ips/macs to shoot over to the secondary unit, rather than just the i/f that failed. On the wire, it still looks like good old VRRP. I'd like to see either the monitored circuits method, or something similar implemented in the mainstream VRRP protocol.

      The Nortel solution uses something called 'critical interface' which is not necessarily an ethernet interface. You associate a 'critical interface' with the interface you are running VRRP on. When that 'critical interface' goes down, it causes VRRP to give up the master status on that device, thereby yielding to the other VRRP peer...

      I think this is what you mean.
  • Usually you get this because the vendors themselves are too busy trying to one up each other that they fail to work and play well together.

    For example...the mtu size for a cisco router by default is 1500. On a nortel box, it's something like 1600 or so (don't remember off the top of my head). Anyhow, this isn't a big deal, until you start getting lots of remote sites connected. Then, it becomes a huge issue.

    Anyhow, for my money, corporations should use one vendor for all their needs. That way, you know that the routers/switches, whathaveyou will work and play well with each other.

  • VRRP isn't the end-all-be-all (Score:3, Informative)

    by netwiz ( 33291 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @02:26PM (#4845137) Homepage
    I've run into countless failure scenarios where VRRP ends up being mostly useless. Scenario one where the gateway segment and server segements don't both fail simultaneously is one, where the primary stays up on the front end, but the server segment fails over.

    Also, there's the issue of the L2 packets being broadcast, so that when the switch you're connected to stops forwarding unicast (oh, but broadcast and multicast still work just fine, thank you very much), VRRP is pretty much useless. It'll never realize that something's gone horribly wrong, and that failing over is necessary.

    I guess my point is that most of the "automated failover" solutions out there either are or have been pretty much worthless given the failures I've seen, and that VRRP, for all it's good points, only covers about ten percent of failure situations. For straight up gateway reachability, it does just fine (in fact, it's a nearly complete rip of Cisco's HSRP, altho I'm not exactly sure of the timeline for each protocol), and in fact it's a superior solution in that regard, but for anything else other than L3 gateway services where all you're doing is plain-vanilla IP routing, it's pretty lousy.

    What I'd like to see is a unicast-based, fully-configurable hot-standby solution. Something where you're forced to enter the IP of the other partners in the redundancy group. Simply sticking to broadcast- or multicast-based solutions isn't going to cut it in a fully switched environment. Granted, the above is going to require a bit more configurationbut come on, it would add what, one, maybe two lines to each configured group? Hell, my environment has two hundred configured interfaces like this, and I'd put up w/ the extra work if it would have saved me from some of the failures I've had.

  • The biggest problem I've run into with VRRP -- no one here has mentioned it, and neither does the author of the book -- is that it insists on using MULTICAST MAC addresses for the virtual routers.

    Why's that so bad? Because Cisco routers refuse to accept Multicast MAC addresses as responses to their ARP requests.

    That means: VRRP no worky, if you're connecting to a Cisco box.

    If you happen to admin the Cisco routers, fine, you can change the settings, etc. But what if the next router upstream is run by your ISP? And what if the ISP won't make the change?

    There are better solutions; heartbeat (www.linux-ha.org) is usually sufficient for routers. Now if VRRPv3 comes out and they've made the multicast MAC thing optional, I will be happy to change my mind.

  • We use VRRP in access routers we deploy, and it is pretty smart. It is especially useful in the case of hardware, or specifically interface failure. If used with some sort of tracking, it is very useful, and faster and simpler than some routing protocols.

    While it is simple, the way it works can make troubleshooting complicated. Specifically, it 'breaks' the traditional way IP and Ethernet addresses relate to each other. By responding to ARP's for more than 1 IP address, and by receiving and routing traffic destined for more than 1 MAC address, it breaks certain assumptions you would make when troubleshooting a problem at the ethernet level.

    This could be very misleading behavior, if you didn't know to expect it...Not like a routing protocol where you can see the effect it has on routing information.

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