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| Steel Bolt Hacking | |
| author | Douglas Chick |
| pages | 114 |
| publisher | TheNetworkAdministrator.com |
| rating | 8 out of 10 |
| reviewer | Alec Kryten |
| ISBN | 0974463019 |
| summary | How to pick locks, crack combinations for LP sports groups |
The beginning of the book discusses the origins of lock-picking sporting groups, crews in the U.S and Europe, competition around the country, and how to become a part of a lock-picking group. One of the groups out of Colorado Springs, DC719, are a bunch of computer geeks that have taken up the art of lock picking and sponsor a lock-picking contest every year at DefCon. According to Mr. Chick, computer people are the fastest group to pick up the art of lock picking. (I must warn you though, there are also a lot of disclaimers about the author not being responsible for the misuses of the information contained in this book.)
The book is fully illustrated with pictures of different types of lock picking instruments, tools to make your own picks as well as padlocks, deadbolt, and combination locks. There are pictures of locks that have been cut open and even how to crack push-button combination locks. (You know, the kind you find on the door to a server room.) I have to say, for a little book, (114 pages) it is brimming with valuable information for a beginner. What I didn't realize was that software isn't the only thing that has security vulnerabilities; mechanical things like padlocks and deadbolts do as well. What was scary to learn is how easy cheap locks can be picked, and that 80 percent of all locks used are cheap locks. Expensive locks are just likely to take a little longer.
I liked that the book didn't exaggerate. It didn't tell me that I was going to be a master lock picker after only a few tries. It took a little time, practice and sore fingers, but after a couple weeks of practice, I could pick every lock in my house. And as a computer person, I liked all of the jargon that was used to explain locksmith techniques. There was also enough humor to keep the book interesting; it's difficult to read any type of textbook and still maintain a reasonable interest. The illustrations are good and there is a resource section to purchase the tools you need from the Internet.
What I didn't like about the book: The most annoying point, I felt, is the considerable redundancy in methods between different types of locks to be picked. Also, the book suggests that there might be a lock-picking group in every city in the U.S., when in fact I am having a difficult time finding one in my are. And I live near D.C. -- You'd think there would be one on every corner around here. I think that the sport is still in its infancy and Mr. Chick is hoping his book will draw more people to it. The author put his e-mail address on the back of the book. He hasn't responded to my e-mail yet, but I suppose that he's probably a busy man.
All in all, I found the book informative, entertaining and worth the purchase price of 19.99.
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Noticed the trend as well (Score:5, Funny)
One guy picked the lock on a projector and cabled another person to the projector cart
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Re:Noticed the trend as well (Score:5, Informative)
by Sylver Dragon (445237) on Wednesday September 15 2004, @06:16PM (#10261190)
(Last Journal: Monday November 19, @08:05PM)An interesting side effect, I'm sure one that goes with just about any skill most people don't have, is the number of times you see people in movies doing it absolutely wrong.
Boy is this true. Having worked with card-access systems for 5 years, I always chuckle at the way movie characters get past these things, and not trip any alarms in the process.
Just some notes for those people contemplating getting past a card reader.
- Pulling apart the reader may trigger an alarm, not always but often enough.
- Shorting the wires together will not open the lock. What it will do is A) send lots of alarms (read fails) to the guard at the security desk. B) Very possibly short out the door control and make the door locked permanitly.
- From the Resident Evil movie, running a needle through a card reader will get you jack. Maybe its a good thing they just let her out.
- You will never "lock in" a single digit of a PIN combination on one a electronic combination lock by running through numbers. What you will do is send through a bunch of alarms to the guard.
- While cutting the wires to a door alarm will technically disable the alarm, the loss of the door loop will send through its own alarm. Those wires carry a specific resistance, if that changes an alarm is sent.
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- Pulling apart the reader may trigger an alarm, not always but often enough.
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Be patient... (Score:4, Funny)
No, he just lost his password for checking his email.
- Re:Be patient... by Eric_Cartman_South_P (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:32PM
fun links about lock vulnerabily (Score:3, Informative)
(http://www.craplaw.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday June 30 2002, @11:45PM)
quicktime movie [thirdrate.com] of the same.
- Re:fun links about lock vulnerabily/Love those ads by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @03:55PM
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Legal issues (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Legal issues (Score:5, Insightful)
by LurkerXXX (667952) on Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:24PM (#10259103)Mod parent up. I got into it a long time ago, and found out when you take trips to certain states/districts, leave the picks at home![ Parent ]- Re:Legal issues by squaretorus (Score:2) Thursday September 16 2004, @07:15AM
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Re:Legal issues (Score:5, Insightful)
by idontgno (624372) on Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:26PM (#10259118)
(Last Journal: Wednesday February 07 2007, @10:52AM)And, given the inevitable but accurate comparisons between lockpicking and system/network hacking, how long before basic possession of network-hacking tools (unsanctioned non-"trusted"/non-DRM computers, etc.) and skills is also inherently illegal, intent be damned?Sigh. How far from cyberpunk dystopia are we now?
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Re:Legal issues (Score:5, Interesting)
by severoon (536737) on Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:32PM (#10259181)
(Last Journal: Tuesday September 14 2004, @03:59PM)Yes, this became true in CA a few years ago as well. This seems sort of ridiculous to me...how can they outlaw lockpicks? They're just tools--it's like outlawing crowbars because they're afraid someone will use them for evil.
Anyway, in most states that have outlawed them, you can still get your hands on them by simply registering and passing the test to become a "licensed locksmith". This doesn't necessarily mean you have to hold yourself out as a business, either. It just means you passed some test and registered with the state so you can carry around your lockpick set. I've been thinking about doing this off and on, because in college I lived with a guy from Caltech for a summer, so I of course had a window into lockpicking as a result and it caught my interest.
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Who can beat this?!!! (Score:3, Funny)
(http://127.0.0.1:82/ | Last Journal: Monday September 26 2005, @01:53PM)
It was on a removable HD tray that jammed, but the story's better when I leave that part out.
You believe me, right? I posted it on slashdot!
- Re:Who can beat this?!!! by Gordonjcp (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:41PM
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So what locks ARE good?!? (Score:5, Interesting)
So does this book have any recommendations along those lines? What door locks, deadbolts, padlocks, bike locks, etc, follow the locksmith version of "best security practices"?
That, IMHO, is the REALLY important thing to discuss!
- Re:So what locks ARE good?!? by dr_dank (Score:3) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:37PM
- the primary value by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:48PM
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- Re:So what locks ARE good?!? by Stradenko (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:33PM
- Porsche cars not easy to steal by SethJohnson (Score:3) Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:38PM
- Re:Porsche cars not easy to steal by bob beta (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @06:40PM
- not anarchists, just dipshits by SethJohnson (Score:2) Friday September 17 2004, @12:36AM
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- Re:Porsche cars not easy to steal by bob beta (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @06:40PM
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Re:So what locks ARE good?!? (Score:5, Interesting)
by halbert (714394) <svr4unix-slashdot&yahoo,com> on Wednesday September 15 2004, @03:39PM (#10259830)Actually, it does discuss several options to better secure your locks, such as putting your deadbolt locks(which are as easy to pick as a padlock) upside-down, to prevent gravity from helping the lock picker. Not impossible to pick, but a LOT harder. Like the difference between hacking a windoze box and an OpenBSD box.(sorry, couldn't resist) The more expensive the lock, usually the harder it is to pick, because they cost more to make. Good book, I recommend it.[ Parent ]- Re:So what locks ARE good?!? by mistersooreams (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @08:29PM
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Article at Howstuffworks.com (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.robmaeder.com/)
It offers a great introduction to lock picking, and has some nice graphics that really helped me understand how locks work, and how they can be circumvented. If you really get into it, then I'm sure this book would offer a lot more information to help you along.
- I see your karma whoring, and raise you... by mnewton32 (Score:3) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:32PM
- Re:Article at Howstuffworks.com by Scrab (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:52PM
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There's actually two sides to it... (Score:5, Interesting)
There's a much larger number of locks that I can't get into without making it patently obvious somebody broke in. This is something I haven't been as successful in teaching myself.
The former is engineering. The latter, that's art.
-JDF
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Re:There's actually two sides to it... (Score:5, Informative)
by dykofone (787059) on Wednesday September 15 2004, @03:49PM (#10259927)
(http://www.synercorp.com/)leatherman tool, paperclip, sewing needle, whatever.
And never forget the value of the handy old credit card. A friend and I got started in lockpicking with some sets we got off ebay back in middle school, and by the end of high school were quite profficient.But I've found now that just about any locked door that doesn't use a deadbolt can be opened much faster with a credit card. I keep three of varying thickness in my wallet depending on the situation. I use my ID badge at work to get into the conference rooms because it's quicker than pressing in the door code.
Also, two butter knives work pretty well too if you have a reasonable gap between the door and frame, just alternate force on them to "walk" the latch out. Best part is, you haven't touched the door handle at all, so it's about as non-invasive as you can get
[ Parent ]- Knowing how to break in can help you secure it. by khasim (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:18PM
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- Re:There's actually two sides to it... by Holi (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:38PM
- Re:There's actually two sides to it... by tmasssey (Score:1) Thursday September 16 2004, @01:57AM
- Knowing how to break in can help you secure it. by khasim (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:18PM
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As with computers... (Score:5, Funny)
- Re:As with computers... by qbzzt (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:46PM
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- Crawling in through windows. by ProfessionalCookie (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @05:55PM
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Lock picking for fun and profit (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.openwebdesign.org/)
- Same thing, only with combo lock... by romper (Score:3) Wednesday September 15 2004, @03:30PM
Wait... (Score:4, Funny)
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Here's where you get the metal for lockpicks, free (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.secondseeker.com/)
Wait until the streep sweeper comes by and follow it down the street. The bristles are spring steel that is perfect for lock picks. They fall off, just pick them up off the street.
I've never made a set of picks so I don't know if this is true or not, but there was a decent lock picking culture at MIT in the late 70s.
- Re:Here's where you get the metal for lockpicks, f by BlowChunx (Score:3) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:36PM
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Re:Here's where you get the metal for lockpicks, f (Score:5, Interesting)
by Giant Killer (33130) <dave@davCOMMAegandy.com minus punct> on Wednesday September 15 2004, @03:02PM (#10259483)
(http://byscuits.com/)I've made several sets, and it really is this easy. Best way really is to follow the street sweeper. The spring steel bristles that come loose have perfect properties. I've tried making them out of other materials, and the spring steel is quite easy to shape and very resilient.
Then just find a decent pick you want to copy, and sit down at the grinder with your blank bristle. They've still got grinders in my old dorm and the lockpicking culture is indeed alive and well at MIT.[ Parent ] - Re:Here's where you get the metal for lockpicks, f by Holi (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:42PM
- You don't need to follow -- they remain by GlobalEcho (Score:2) Thursday September 16 2004, @10:38AM
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Richard Feynman was a Stell Bold Hacker (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://www.notestein.com/ | Last Journal: Friday July 04 2003, @07:50PM)
It's a good quick ready and talks about his lock picking and safe cracking while working on the Manhattan projcet at Los Alamos.
Or read about it here [caltech.edu]
Nothing's unpickable - how big a mess do you want? (Score:5, Interesting)
Brass is primarily a copper alloy. It is extremely reactive in the presence of strong acids. A few years back, a friend of mine wanted to look at a smart card under a microscope - just curious, that's all. I was working in a research lab then, and I mixed hydrochloric acid with nitric acid to make aqua regia. We were able to dissolve the GOLD contacts off the smart card to expose the chip underneath. (Aqua regia is used for lot assay analysis of alloys to determine alloy composition - you start by dissolving the metal, then feed it through some form of spectroscopy machine to measure the quantity and the composition of the metal). If I had squirted that into the door lock and held it in place with some bubble gum
- SK
- Re:Nothing's unpickable - how big a mess do you wa by John Courtland (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:43PM
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Re:Nothing's unpickable - how big a mess do you wa (Score:5, Interesting)
by mkettler (6309) on Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:48PM (#10259358)For that matter, most structures surrounding locks aren't indestructible either. When you get down too it, someone can break into a lot of places by driving sledgehammer or truck through the door.
However, that makes lots of noise. It's hard to protect an office building from a bulldozer attack, but then again, it's pretty hard to sneak around with a bulldozer.
Really an attack involving strong acids isn't much more practical. Not many thieves want to walk around with a bottle of highly concentrated HCL hidden in their pocket. (think spillage while trying to run from the police)
Your best bet in any physical security is to try and make the thief do one or more of the following:
1) make a lot of noise (defeating stealth)
2) leave a lot of good evidence about the intrusion (defeating anonymity)
3) use specialized or expensive tools (defeating any financial gain)
4) use a tool too unwieldy or impractical to transport inconspicuously. (defeating stealth)
Of course, scale the measures to fit the value of what you're hiding.
[ Parent ]- Re:Nothing's unpickable - how big a mess do you wa by selderrr (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:59PM
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Sometimes thinking outside the box helps. (Score:3, Insightful)
When my father died, he left some important papers in a locked drawer in his file cabinet. The key was nowhere to be found. But the drawer above it had no lock. I just removed that one.
Older Steelcase desks with a center drawer actuated locking mechanism could be opened (well, except for the center drawer itself) by just reaching behind that drawer and lifting up the lever that locked all the others.
- Re:Sometimes thinking outside the box helps. by enigmatichmachine (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @03:52PM
MIT Guide to Lockpicking (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.livejournal.com/~tassach/)
- Re:MIT Guide to Lockpicking by YetAnotherName (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:43PM
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Re:MIT Guide to Lockpicking (Score:4, Interesting)
by Giant Killer (33130) <dave@davCOMMAegandy.com minus punct> on Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:57PM (#10259434)
(http://byscuits.com/)
Dang it, I was going to post that. Now I would just be redundant.I'm suprised no one has linked to the (in)famous MIT Guide to Lockpicking yet.
Lockpicking was standard teaching for freshman the East Campus dorm at MIT. This guide has served as the standard since around 1991 iirc. During the yearly EC "Oddball Olympics" lockpicking was one of the main events. I remember a masterlock being picked in 9 seconds. Really, masterlock padlocks can be that easy. And I've seen master hackers (roof and tunnel in this case) spend an hour and a half on a Schlage and never get it.
This is a great guide and a good place to start, but lockpicking is all about feel. Like anything else, it just takes practice to get good.[ Parent ]- 1 reply beneath your current threshold.
Your nearest lock picking group... (Score:3, Funny)
(Last Journal: Thursday December 09 2004, @08:15AM)
- Re:The Club!!!! by Quill_28 (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:48PM
- Or... by temojen (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:26PM
- Re:The Club!!!! by barnzi (Score:1) Thursday September 16 2004, @04:47AM
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- Those links to the PDF don't work... by stankulp (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:48PM
- Re:Those links to the PDF don't work... by Mr.Sharpy (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @03:28PM
- Re:Lock Picking Tools... by neverutterwhen (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @02:50PM
- Everything Fun In Jersey Is Illegal by RogL (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @03:01PM
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Other lock-picking resources. (Score:5, Informative)
Second - as another poster noted, lock pins aren't typically made from high-strength alloys. A battery-powered hand drill (and a screwdriver to turn the lock when the pins are gone) is the best and fastest lock pick that there is. Didn't even leave any visible damage when I used this approach on a filing cabinet we'd lost the key to. Just pick a bit as wide as the key entryway, and drill down the line of pins.
Be advised that the lock tends to jam after closing again, as the remains of the pins fall back into their channels when the lock returns to its original position. But if you're drilling a lock, you're typically looking for a one-time solution anyways.
- Re:Other lock-picking resources. by Beryllium Sphere(tm) (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:54PM
NOT available at B&N (Score:3, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Testing claims yourself... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.renderlab.net/)
I just find lockpicking facinating because it's yet another case of people proving manufacturers claims are often highly exadurated, or just full of BS. Knowing, and proving for yourself what makes a good lock vs. a bad lock fits well into the computer security dynamic (Physical security anyone?). That extra $1-2 for a master brand lock can buy you several minutes more security vs. a cheap look alike that can be shimmed in about 3 seconds, kind of useful to know. They can both be opened, but your less likely to have a thief willing to be exposed for several minutes than for a few seconds. The Kyptonite vulnerability now makes everyone re-think trusting the manufactureres claims now does'nt it?
It's also a handy skill for those inevitable times when someone locks the server cabinet and loses the key and you don't want to pay a locksmith through the nose. I also use my skill in security audits to very dramatically show how little security that cheap lock on ther server room provides.
I've got some descriptions of the contests and LP resources up at my site [renderlab.net] and some links to videos and the MIT guide if anyones curious.
Just remember that there is little a set of bolt cutters, a crow bar, or a sledge hammer can't get through. Lockpicking is the 'elegant solution' to that (literal) brute force.
- Re:Testing claims yourself... by Bob Cat - NYMPHS (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @08:55PM
- Re:Testing claims yourself... by Render_Man (Score:1) Thursday September 16 2004, @12:42PM
Go magnetic (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://marciandgreg.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday January 07 2004, @07:30PM)
- Re:Go magnetic by Zagar (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:07PM
- Bad idea by theLOUDroom (Score:1) Thursday September 16 2004, @12:28AM
- Re:Bad idea by greg_barton (Score:2) Thursday September 16 2004, @12:48AM
I learned lockpicking as a child (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.lockjawslair.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday January 01 2006, @09:39PM)
I first learned to pick locks at my childhood church, from my dad. The locks were standard household style locks, on doors that opened outward, so all I needed was a pocketknife.
During High School, I could often be found inside the locked classroom, waiting for the teacher to arrive. I knew which doors opened using which methods, and which windows were nearly impossible to lock properly.
I've learned a few things about physical security over the years. Walls don't always go to the true ceiling. Locks don't always work as advertised. The unknowledgeable don't always understand the proper ways to secure things, and a disgruntled soon to be ex-employee will occasionally just hand you a key you shouldn't have.
With my knowledge of computers, I make it clear that I look the other way when people are typing in their passwords on a PC I'm working on. I want it to be clear to them that I don't know their password. If I want to gain access to a PC, I don't need to know the password before I start anyway.
People come to me when they need to gain access to something they've locked themselves out of on their computer. They have confidence that i can help them. Quite often, I can. A little research, a little knowledge, and the ability to solve problems tends to do the trick.
I've never studied lockpicking. I've never needed to. Locks are usually either very easy to go through, or around. Around is usually the best way.
These days, it's all white-hat. That makes it even more fun.
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Re:I learned lockpicking as a child (Score:5, Interesting)
by g0bshiTe (596213) on Wednesday September 15 2004, @04:28PM (#10260291)Nice job, I find myself in the same situation. Remeber the old bicycle locks, the kind with the ring style tumblers? That was my first lock. Since then I have worked part time for a locksmith for a few years. There isn't a car I can't get into with little more than a coat hanger. If that doesn't work a few bobbi pins will do. Though the Mercedes security locks trouble me. The only household locks I can't do are Baldwin and Medico. Pretty much everything else is fair game. In school Master combination locks made me popular. Some kid next to me would forget his locker combo and start to go get the janitor. I'd stop em and ask for one of their shoelaces and procede to open their locker with it. True security is like a dragon, it's a mythilogical beast.
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- social engineering a better tool by slew (Score:3) Wednesday September 15 2004, @06:01PM
Feynman (Score:3, Interesting)
In addition to winning the Nobel Prize, Feynman spent much of WWII at Los Alamos working on the atomic bomb. He devotes part of this book to his work there, including his (usually succesful) attempts to crack the many safes & locked file cabinets found at the base. He was very much a computer hacker in the days before computers.
- Re:Feynman by (C)0N0(R) (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @09:56PM
Legal Issue!! If you own lockpicks, please READ! (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Friday October 13 2006, @05:34PM)
HOWEVER!!
IF YOU ARE ARRESTED FOR -ANY- CRIME, POSSESSION OF LOCKPICKS WILL CAUSE YOU TO ALSO BE CHARGED WITH POSSESSION OF 'BURGLERY TOOLS'! This could even include a speeding ticket if the Officer decides to search you. So if you are going to carry lockpicks on your person, BE CAREFUL!
- Re:Legal Issue!! If you own lockpicks, please READ by Chucklz (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @11:15PM
- Re:Legal Issue!! If you own lockpicks, please READ by Banner (Score:2) Thursday September 16 2004, @11:50AM
- Re:Legal Issue!! If you own lockpicks, please READ by KozmoStevnNaut (Score:2) Thursday September 16 2004, @01:16AM
- Re:Legal Issue!! If you own lockpicks, please READ by Banner (Score:2) Thursday September 16 2004, @11:54AM
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Make it easy, why don't you? (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.gis.net/~cht)
I recalled seeing a bathroom on the floor and when I got there, I was confronted with a pushbutton lock.
The pushbuttons were some kind of polymer, with the numbers PRINTED on them.
Three of the buttons had the numbers worn away.
Needless to say, I solved the lock in a few seconds.
Funny thing, it was an executive-type bathroom, not to be used by scruffy hacker geeks like me.
Or so I was told by the executive-type that found me in there using a urinal.
"Who gave you the combination?"
"Everyone who used the bathroom since the lock was installed, that's who." (FLUSH)
- Re:Make it easy, why don't you? by Beardo the Bearded (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @05:47PM
- Re:Make it easy, why don't you? by SmurfButcher Bob (Score:2) Friday September 17 2004, @10:06PM
- Re:Make it easy, why don't you? by Bob Cat - NYMPHS (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @09:08PM
- Re:Make it easy, why don't you? by Chris Tucker (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @11:41PM
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- Re:The mother of all F***ups by mvdw (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @11:12PM
- Re:The mother of all F***ups by SmurfButcher Bob (Score:2) Thursday September 16 2004, @02:14AM
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Some of that Trash Hacking... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.dreamops.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday October 02 2005, @10:05AM)
Using this word superfluously is starting to take on the characteristics of the word 'kool'; You sound like you have an IQ of 5, so give it a freakin' rest already.
- Re:Some of that Trash Hacking... by Civil_Disobedient (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @08:20PM
- Re:Some of that Trash Hacking... by Various Assortments (Score:2) Wednesday September 15 2004, @09:06PM
- Re:Some of that Trash Hacking... by iswm (Score:3) Thursday September 16 2004, @12:30AM
- Re:Some of that Trash Hacking... by chgros (Score:3) Thursday September 16 2004, @01:54AM
- Re:Some of that Trash Hacking... by SlashdotMeNow (Score:1) Thursday September 16 2004, @05:57AM
- Re:Some of that Trash Hacking... by abmurray (Score:1) Thursday September 16 2004, @07:28AM
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There are better key locks, but they are rare (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.animats.com)
Lever locks have the combination component one step removed from the input component, which makes them harder to force. If you try to force a lever lock, you may trash the levers, but that won't open the lock.
Safe deposit boxes are traditionally lever locks, although not always very good ones. Jail locks are usually level locks of massive size.
Lever locks are usually big rectangular boxes, unsuitable for embedding in a door. So they're not used much unless serious security is required, as in a jail.
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Re:80% of locks cheap crap? (Score:5, Informative)
Abloy locks employ a sidebar and rotating disks. It's very, very difficult to pick them for several reasons; sidebar locks are intrinsically difficult to pick (such as the old GM locks, which didn't have a pick set for them until the late 1980's or early 1990's, when some smartass figured out that you could use a special spring compression tool to allow the wafers to free-float. That makes them subject to move when vibrated or rapped, and the sidebar (which is then under spring pressure) can line them up.
Abloy has no such constraint. IIRC, the world record for picking an Abloy is 36 hours. That may have changed; I don't know.
For high security locks like Medeco, ASSA, Abloy, etc., the fastest way through them is a grinder. Used to be an ice pick attack to the latch, and although some locks are still improperly installed, that's largely gone the way of the dodo.
As a locksmith myself, I'd rather have Abloy on my doors more than anything else. But they're hard to find here in the US, so I use Medeco instead. Beats the hell out of a $15 Kwikset, lemme tell you.
- Re:80% of locks cheap crap? by Chucklz (Score:1) Wednesday September 15 2004, @11:21PM
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Lock Picking For fun and Profit??? (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.dragonswest.com/ | Last Journal: Monday November 05, @07:35PM)
Some other interesting discussion [google.com]. Small wonder I scarcely let my racing bike out of my sight.
"may I borrow your pen? I need to pick up some transportation."
Re:Lock Picking For fun and Profit??? (Score:5, Interesting)
In case the videos get
Holy Crap (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Basically, you have to shake the lock at the same time that you're turning the pen.
My guess is that shaking and wiggling the pen causes the interface between the pins & spacers to move around, and if you're turning the pen at the same time, the cylinder will rotate a notch as soon as the interface between the leading pin/spacer pair is in the right place. Then you just repeat the same procedure for all the other pin/spacer pairs.
I work for a bike parts/accessories wholesaler... (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Monday November 15 2004, @01:01PM)
Generally, folks buying locks know that it's just a deterrent... except for the people buying exactly the retails-at-$80 lock (with heavy-duty chain) shown in the movie, who tend to be messengers and/or people with $1k+ bicycles. Personally, my bikes stay locked up in my living room when I'm not on them, and I don't take my lock with me when I seriously ride because that would tempt me to separate myself from the bike. I've got a cheap old schwinn cruiser for that. (=
Re:I work for a bike parts/accessories wholesaler. (Score:5, Interesting)
I will never buy another lock, ever. I only trust my good bike ( A Trek Project One 5500/5600 (the OCLV 110 from a year or two ago) with campy record) to be within reach. My junker is a 1960s Schwin that cost about $60 and is in 4 colors of cheap spray paint. I just tie it in place with a double figure-eight knot
-WS
Re:Lock Picking For fun and Profit??? (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://thirdrate.com)
Re:Off to the pop machine... (Score:5, Informative)
A valuable skill (Score:5, Interesting)
Erick
Re:A valuable skill (Score:5, Informative)
Re:A valuable skill (Score:4, Informative)
Lock Hacking in Hackers (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Monday April 03 2006, @07:15AM)
Surely you must be joking Mr Feynman (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday September 18 2005, @10:08AM)
Everyone in the room goes "Ooooo! how did you do that? Are you really that good?" And he had the presence of mind to say, "Yes." =)
Re:Surely you must be joking Mr Feynman (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://peacefinder.net/ | Last Journal: Wednesday October 24, @04:06PM)
In one, Feynman had learned a technique to pick up the last number or two of the three-number combination from open file cabinets, and he also learned that one only had to be accurate to about +/- 3 on the dial. This allowed him to drastically reduce the number of guesses needed for a lock.
He was telling a colleague about this, and they ducked into an office so he could demonstrate. Feynman already knew the last number for this particular lock, so he was saying something like... "so I can try out the numbers really quickly. Let's assume the first number is this [sets dial] and I'll check the second number like this..." and the lock opens almost immediately. He thinks fast and continues without pause "... and that's how it's done!" And they walk out, leaving everyone in the office gaping in shock. It was a lucky guess ont he first two numbers, but he didn't let on.
In the other story, the Boss had a BIG safe installed, and after Manhattan was closing down they needed to get into it. People asked Feynman to try it, because of his reputation, and he said he would. (How could he refuse without destroying his rep?) He goes into the office, and it's open. Feynman eventually finds out (after many amusing diversions) that the base locksmith had opened it by trying the factory combination.
Re:Surely you must be joking Mr Feynman (Score:5, Interesting)
She also said that he said General Groves was a real bastard.