Beginning Ubuntu Linux

Ravi writes "Anybody who have heard about Linux would be aware of Ubuntu which is a very popular flavor of Linux created by the South African firm Canonical founded by the space tourist Mark Shuttleworth. In fact, they set the precedent of supplying free CDs of this very popular OS to any one interested in installing and trying out Linux on their machine. Recently, I got hold of this wonderful book named "Beginning Ubuntu Linux - From Novice to Professional" authored by Kier Thomas. Being a Ubuntu user myself, I was pleased to see a Linux book specifically concentrating on Ubuntu, finding its way to the book stores. This book is aimed at people who are new to Linux and who wish to start their Linux journey by installing Ubuntu on their machines. Read the rest of Ravi's review.

Beginning Ubuntu Linux - From Novice to Professional
author	Keir Thomas
pages	600
publisher	APress
rating	9/10
reviewer	Ravi Kumar
ISBN	978-1-59059-627-2
summary	A good book targeted at neophytes in Linux who wish to install and use Ubuntu on their machines

The book's 600 pages are divided into 7 parts each concentrating on a particular topic. And there are in total, 34 chapters and 4 appendices.

The first part of the book concentrates on giving a firm foundation to the readers as to what Linux is all about, its history and the benefits of using Linux over any other operating system.

From here, the author moves into explaining how to install Ubuntu on ones machine which forms the basis for the second part of this book. This part is divided into 3 chapters, one each dealing in pre-installation steps like partitioning ones hard disk, the actual installation steps and the equally important part of the most common issues faced by users before, during and after the installation and their solutions. In fact, the author lists over 18 problems that any user could encounter and gives their possible solutions.

The third part of the book which contains 6 chapters focuses on giving a fly-by tour of different aspects of Ubuntu Desktop, its various elements like menus, panels, virtual desktops and applets. I especially liked the section which listed the Microsoft Windows desktop functions and their equivalents found in Ubuntu. There is a special chapter titled "Ubuntu replacements for Windows programs" which could be an eye opener for any one interested in embracing Linux. In fact, the whole book is geared towards neophytes who are hoping to take their first steps in Linux.

Part 4 aptly named - "The Shell and Beyond" - contains 5 chapters where the author gives a sound introduction to the shell in Linux as well as takes the reader through the most useful and commonly used commands which would help a user save time. This part of the book contains a chapter on the Bash shell where the author explains the uses of the command line and how one can benefit from it. I really liked the table giving the DOS commands and their equivalents in Linux and also the section on how to disable the graphical desktop and boot into the console. And surprisingly the author explains how to do it the command line way which I found really interesting. This section is full of useful tips for people who have an affinity for the command line - like creating aliases, getting more help on the command usage, the file hierarchy in Ubuntu, file permissions and much more. The icing on the cake is the chapter named - "Cool Shell Tricks" - which contains many command line gymnastics that showcase the true power of the console in Linux. But what is amazing is that the author explains all these topics in a very simple and lucid manner which makes it easy for even a lay person to understand.

The fifth part of the book deals entirely with the topic of digital music, movies and image editing and is spread over 3 chapters. Here one gets to know the various software used to play different media formats as well as an introduction to the fine art of image manipulation using Gimp. One of the biggest drawbacks for Linux users is the lack of out-of-the-box support for popular media formats due to license restrictions. The author explains how one can enable the media players bundled with Ubuntu to play most of these media files including the ever popular mp3. By going through the chapters in this section, one gets to know more about the different audio and video formats which could be an eye opener for any tech neophyte.

What is the use of a desktop if it does not suit an office setup right? The next section comprising of 8 chapters cover how one can use Ubuntu at one's work place. The author takes the users on a trip of using OpenOffice.org office suite to create documents, spreadsheets, presentations as well as configuring an email client to send and receive emails. The last chapter in this section is exclusively dedicated to installing and running Microsoft Office in Ubuntu using Wine.

Till now if the book was dedicated more or less to new users of Linux, then in the seventh and final part of this book, the experts among us have something to look forward too. This part of the book covers the finer nuances of maintaining the Ubuntu system which includes installing and updating software, managing users and groups, ways of backing up data, and most interesting of all, steps to make the system more responsive which includes disabling unnecessary services, optimizing the hard disk, the concept of prelinking and much more.

The inclusion of 4 appendices which contain among others a glossary of Linux terms, the bash shell command index, information on getting further help online as well as a synopsis of the different flavors of Ubuntu makes this book a perfect guide for new users in Linux.

Having said that, even though at first glance, a person who is well versed in Linux might be tempted to pass it on as a book for newbies; on close scrutiny, one will find interesting nuggets and tips which even an expert would not have known. One example of this is the part where the author explains how one can configure Ubuntu to communicate and transfer data with one's bluetooth enabled cell phone. And it is to the authors credit that all these technical topics are explained in clear and simple language. The book is interspersed with images and screen shots making it easier to visualize the steps being explained. All in all a good book which is both informative and entertaining at the same time, and which would appeal to anybody interested in installing and using Ubuntu Linux on ones machine.

The author, Keir Thomas has been writing about computers, operating systems,and software for a decade. He has edited several best-selling computer magazines, including LinuxUser & Developer, PC Utilities, and PC Extreme, and worked as part of the editorial staff on a range of other titles. He was formerly Technical Group Editor at Live Publishing. Throughout Keir's career, his aim has been to explain advanced and confusing technology in ways that the average person can understand. Keir works as a freelance editor and writer. He lives on the side of a mountain in England, and his pastimes include hiking and playing musical instruments.

Ravi Kumar is passionate about all things related to Linux and likes to share his experiences through his blog on Linux."

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Canonical's not South African

Canonical isn't a South African company. It's a Manx company. Or a British one at a stretch.

Re:Canonical's not South African

Canonical is a global organisation headquartered in the Isle of Man, with employees throughout Europe, North America, South America and Australia. http://www.canonical.com/ [canonical.com]

Many people who have never been to the Isle of Man are not sure exactly where it is! The answer is that it lies in the Irish Sea, between England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales, less than 60 miles west of the Lancashire coastline http://www.isleofman.com/about/ [isleofman.com]

Re:Canonical's not South African

Canonical isn't a South African company. It's a Manx company. Or a British one at a stretch.

For those who are wondering what the hell AC is talking about (I know I was):

1) Manx means 'native of isle of man' (Like the cats)
2) Isle of Man is an Island between the British Mainland & Ireland - its neither part of the UK or the EU & certainly not british (although Britain represents them to some extent)
3) Canonical is registered as a company there.

I'll leave it the reader to judge whether Canonical (founded by a South African, employing people all over the world, with a heavy South African presence, but registered in a tax haven) is South African or Manx.

Meaning, for those who are curious.

Taken from the site [ubuntu.com]:

"Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others". Ubuntu also means "I am what I am because of who we all are".

My favorite meaning comes from Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:

"a person is a person through other persons"

To me, it gets at the root that concepts of self and other are fairly arbitrary. It often makes more sense thinging about who I am in the context of family, work, and society.

Re:Meaning, for those who are curious.

My favorite definition that I've come across...

Ubuntu is an ancient African word, meaning "can't configure Debian"

Re:Meaning, for those who are curious.

Hmmm, well I'm not sure that you know what you're talking about. There are 11 national languages in South Africa, and some words do become quite universal, for instance "yebo" means both "yes" in the affirmative and also as a response to a greeting. Practically every South African would recognise it as such regardless of which language they speak. "Ubuntu" has been described as both a Zulu word and a Xhosa word - I suspect it's well-known in both languages and probably several others.

I do know what you're getting at, but the reality is that there are concepts that are fairly ubiquitous across most of Africa, so it's not unreasonable to describe a particular word or concept as "African" just as there are words and concepts that are particularly "European" despite the size of my continent (I'm British). In fact, there are concepts that are distinctly "Western" (covering, I suppose, Europe, North America and arguably Australia and NZ) for instance the idea that every bad event must be blamed on a named individual.

Free CD's

... far as i can remember, Yggdrasil were the first to do the 'heres a free bootable Linux CD so you can try it out' promotional trick, as early as 1994.

sure, Ubuntu is a wonderful project, and the purpose of making Linux easier for humans is an admirable and honorable effort. But, these 'new-generation Linux distros' getting all the credit for what has been a 'traditional activity' among the Linux crowd rankles a little ire ..

Re:Free CD's

The article is not quite clear, but the point is, Ubuntu will *ship* you CDs free of charge, in any quantity you desire. I don't think Yggdrasil did this...

Need something more general

I still have the feeling that an IT specialist writing a book about Ubuntu or Debian or Gentoo is just like a sexologist writing a book about making love with his wife Jenny...

Beside that, can someone recommend a good book about Linux / Unix in general? People ask me for this and frankly I don't know a printed book to recommend to them. For some time I recommended Tannenbaum's "Operating Systems" series.

And I'm still planning to write a book on Gentoo tho - I'll just send all the logs from stage 1 install 'till OpenOffice compile to my publisher.

Re:Need something more general

JENNY@STREETCORNER:~$ sudo apt-get install herpes-4.11

Using Ubuntu

I've been a fedora core user for some time and I decided to try Ubuntu on a recently donated dell 933. I have been pleased with the ease of setup and install and the intuitive package tools so far. Most amazing to me was that my old MA101 USB wireless adapter "Just Worked(tm)". No ndiswrapper install, no kernel stack size recompile, no headache. I was just on the network. Amazing. Core seems to go out of it's way to make ndiswrapper hard to use. I may switch all my boxes to Ubuntu.

Ubuntu just rocks

Not related except as my ubuntu experience.

I had an old laptop that i recently fixed (it just needed to be taken apart and have some connectors reseated). I had been running Debian on it, but I have a new job, and a new work issued laptop...so I didn't need it.

So my sister, who is one of those people who "knows how to use word". Thats right, she could type up a report for school, and browse the web, but that was about it. Complete novice.

So I didn't have a copy of windows to install (though since there was a product key attached to the laptop I technically could have, if I had install media)... anyway... so I installed Ubuntu and said "If you want windows, you have to have it put on, but heres this" (she lives too far away for me to get media and drive out to her). I showed her how to log in and pointed at open office and said "that works like word" then pointed her at firefox and said "heres your web browser".... litterally all of 2 minutes.

She called me 3 days later to tell me how great it was working and ask why she was able to get on the internet last night, but not today... turns out she just randomly had picked up someone elses wireless and got on, never even realised it... whoever it was must turn off their access point when they are not home, she never saw the signal again.

Point is... she never even needed to ask a question beyond that. I have had less problems giving her an ubuntu box, than giving people with similar experience levels windows boxes...she has been usign it and happy with it (I talked to her the other day) for several weeks now.

Man... who ever would have thought Linux on the desktop would really get there for us non-geeks? I always said it would, but I have to admit, I always had some doubt in my mind.

Hell as it is I have completely switched over to ubuntu myself. Its a fresh debian! Yay! Its what i have wanted for years now... a debian stable thats less than 6 months old! (and more often than for 6 months out of every 3 years)

-Steve

Oh? You want a book?

This book is great and if you can't install Unbuntu yourself; go and buy the book. But here is what I did:

I wanted to migrate away from Windows.
I am sorta tech savvy - I know the different parts of a computer, I can trouble shoot some basic problems, and I can type "getting your printer to work in ubuntu' into google.

My point is, instead of paying 40 dollars for a book, here is what you do:

1.Go download the Ubuntu ISO
http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/5.10/ ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso [anl.gov]

2.Go get some burning software, I had to download a few free ones off downloads.com to find that actually worked burning isos as they claimed to, but you probably have some installed, I'm sure.
http://www.download.com/Click-N-Burn-CD-DVD/3000-2 646_4-10461707.html?tag=lst-0-5 [download.com]
http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0-2-0.html?qt=bu rning&author=&titlename=&desc=&li=49&os=&swlink=&g filetype= [download.com]
I installed slackware a few years ago and my friend spent like 5 hours helping me configure it to get everything to work and it still gave me problems.
It was a pain, or else one of us just overcomplicated it.

Once Ubuntu was installed... it just worked wonderfully. I sometimes forget I'm not using windows and any non GPL software. The install went like this: insert CD, boot off cd, go through install process, Ubuntu won't start up, switch to boot of IDE-0 in bios - Everything is perfect

I also installed automatix, and Auto Packages
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13840 5 [ubuntuforums.org]
http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/index.ht ml [autopackage.org]

I don't like computers particularly, I'm not a poweruser or a nerd, and I don't really game. Ubuntu provides me near full functionality for what I need - more than windows ever did.

CentOS provides other options too, but why use Windows if you don't have to?
I feel like such a subversive.
So do what works for you.

How similar is Kubuntu?

I built my first Linux machine with Xandros a few years ago, and I've used it as my home server ever since.

Now, I'm looking to upgrade, and I was planning to use the next version of Kubuntu when it released next month. I have used KDE for some time and I think I prefer its interface to that of Gnome.

My question is, if I choose Kubuntu, would I get anything at all out of this book? Or is it so different as to be not worth the purchase?

I'm an electrical engineer, but I do hardware design. I have little interest in being an expert in operating system configuration. I like the concept of Linux, but I want easy-to-follow instructions to set up what I need, with a minimal amount of fiddling in .conf files and other settings.

Re:How similar is Kubuntu?

AFAIK, Ubuntu and Kubuntu are exactly the same project, with slightly tweaked default settings and, of course, the different desktop environment.

As a matter of fact, you can change an Ubuntu install to a Kubuntu install with one command:

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

I think you can even change back by using the above and "ubuntu-desktop" instead.

Save $6.80!

Save yourself $6.80 by buying the book here: Beginning Ubuntu Linux [amazon.com]. And if you use the "secret" A9.com discount [amazon.com], you can save an extra 1.57%!

Why so easy?

After typing this comment I realized it could come off as criticizing ubuntu for targetting "easy", which is not my intent. I'm using Ubuntu right now to type this, and love it, not as a user friendly Linux, but as a nice barebones start for a Debian GNU/Linux desktop after a bit of customization. It's not cluttered with tons of things by default that just get in your way, but still has many useful programs either installed already or easily installable. This comment is more of a gripe about why more people aren't willing to "try" Linux, by which I mean, install, and LEARN it, rather than just failing to set a few things up for a couple minutes and then giving up. As Yoda said, "Do, or do not. There is no try".

Does anyone have an opinion on why people seem to demand that an operating system be so incredibly simple that they could almost use it without thinking before they'll look at it? Computers are complex but extremely powerful machines, and it's not as if a modern GUI based *NIX system is so much harder to use than Windows, with powerful tools available to you if you choose to use them. These systems were created by people who needed to use them to get things done, so it's not as if you can't use them that way if you're willing to apply a little thought to how you use a powerful tool.

People who don't want to learn to use a computer are cheating themselves out of the most amazing tool mankind has yet invented for the transmission and manipulation of knowledge. Why should the target for interface design be someone who doesn't know how to use a computer and never will?

Take me to the Mountain

Throughout Keir's career, his aim has been to explain advanced and confusing technology in ways that the average person can understand. Keir works as a freelance editor and writer. He lives on the side of a mountain in England, and his pastimes include hiking and playing musical instruments.

Keir is the one you seek...a sage, a traveler, adventurer, musician, writer and master of all things technical. He has the amazing ability to explain even the most complex of things in a manner we can all understand. Now has come the time to implement the Ubuntu Linux - it is your destiny.
Seek out Keir, he lives on the side of the Mountain in England. He is the one who shall give you the knowledge you will need to carry on amongst the confusion and delusion.
Fear not, there are many dark naysayers ahead, but your unabashed determination and great skills will carry you forward in your quest for the Golden Operating System!
Go Forth and God Speed!

What a name..

Ubuntu will never make it on to desktops simply because of it name.

RedHat - now that's a Linux distro name. But at $150 a seat they can shove the hat...
Mandrake - another good name but it's gone
Mandriva - border line bad oh the the company is going down like a whore at the prom
Debian - solid name too bad it's maintaind by relinux zealots
SuSe - kind of lame, kind of free, Yast is very hand for lazy people
Fedora - border line good name, just don't install it on any hardwars older that last week
CRUX - CRAP
blag - all I can think of Barf-Bag
SLAX - Trousers (Pants! Pants! Pants! to you limey's)
Slackware - Old Navy's new clothing like for the unemployed
Gentoo - more junk but the name's ok
Xrandos - cool name it's too bad this distro costs money and sucks donkey snot
MEPIS - Me Piss
Damn Small Linux - That's not a name that's an in-complete sentence
KNOPPIX - good name now if it were only a real distrobution
PCLinuxOS - just in-case you don't know Linux is an OS that runs on PC's
Kubuntu - really?
Frugalware - again really?
Puppy Linux - hahahahahaha when it becomes v2.0 will it be renamed to Dog
Linux XP - Sure I'm running XP.
Turbolinux - now that's a name. Too bad this distro sucks and it's not FREE

nice distro

I'm partial to Slackware, but I've tried Ubuntu and I have to admit that it's a very nice distro. I would recommend it for newbies or those who want a nice LiveCD with good hardware detection "out of the box".

Ubuntu is Open

I really have a discrepency with the fact that an author is attempting to profit off sales of an Ubuntu book. That is why there is an Ubuntu Forum, Ubuntu Wikipedia, and Ubuntu tutorials. In fact, Ubuntu isn't just great because it features a 6 month release cycle, a large community of contributing users, but more importantly, because its community has users who are willing to share and help you get your Ubuntu system running. You don't need to waste money on an Ubuntu book. Just head on over to IRC.FreeNode.Net and come to the Ubuntu IRC Channel, or visit the Ubuntu Forums at www.ubuntuforums.org [ubuntuforums.org] and you can find lots of tutorials, HOW-TO's, and so forth. There are even in-depth tutorials on the installation of XGL and the compiz composite manager. I hope this helps save you guys some money. Now, if you really are "hell-bent" on purchasing an Ubuntu book, then, of course, some people do like to have paper in hand. However, if you are ready to join the new millenium, save paper, save trees, and get FREE community supported information, that is more than plenty to get an Ubuntu system up and running, then just look on the web.

I have this question

Why are WE, the Open Source Community, being charged for this tripe?

I thought WE were supposed to Work TOGETHER on documentation not create some
Closed Source book.

There are many advantages to open source development model which make it Far Superior to the
shit turned out by Greedy Profiteering swine such as Apress and Oreilley.

Don't buy this book and support open source!

Need a book to install Ubuntu?

That explains alot! I have try Ubuntu again in recent weeks. Though it has improved greatly since my first experiments, it does have a longs ways to go in the way of usabililty. Granted, the installation went flawlessly however, it does require you to have a functioning network connection which is a problem if you use wireless. Post installation is another matter. You have everything needed to basic computing tasks but when you want to do something a little more intense like run Doom3, you have more problems. The ubuntu forums are a help but all the how to involve hacking away at config files using the cli for hours (who wants to do that). But, I guess that is what free gets you.

Contents page

There's a pdf of the contents pages @ apress.com [apress.com]

What makes Ubuntu so popular?

Early on in Ubuntu's beginings, I ran it as my primary desktop mainly because it was described as a better Debian than Debian. So I ran it, and was genuinely impressed, but not overly thrilled. Yes, it has many of the pluses that Debian has namely in APT, and embraces Debian social contract, [debian.org] and then some. But I still don't get why people are losing their minds over this. After about seven or eight months, I tried it again. Better, but still not amazing. In the meantime, I had used Xandros, and eventually moved (and settled on) PCLinuxOS. Wireless worked, the browser had every plug-in I needed, Java was pre-installed, etc. In my opinion, it's clearly a better Ubuntu than Ubuntu. What permanently turned me off, is when Ubuntu refused to include KDE based apps with their distro (this is prior to Kubuntu and Breezy Badger), and when problems started cropping up regarding Ubuntu seemingly splitting off with Debian. [ianmurdock.com] Regardless of what Mark Shuttleworth has to say, I agree with Ian's comments that they are not respecting the fact they are riding on the backs of Debian's work. Just my .02.

Principles of Ubuntu

Key to Ubuntu's philosophy is making "the tools you need available free of charge" [ubuntu.com]

Thomas should respect the principles of Ubuntu and release this book for free and license it under Creative Commons to allow mashups and external improvements so the book can become more helpful over time.

Shuttleworth?

...space tourist Mark Shuttleworth

I've always wondered:

Shouldn't he change his name to "Soyuzworth?"

Quick and Easy

I used to use Gentoo on my box at work. I started to notice that I would spend more time tweaking/compiling/fixing/troubleshooting my distribution than I would coding. I switched to Ubuntu and I have since been able to focus more on my job (writing code).

This is not a jab at Gentoo. All I'm trying to say is that you need to pick your distribution based on what you are going to use it for. If you need complete flexibility all the way down to the kernel, then Gentoo or similar distributions will work. If all you need is just a working desktop with standard functionality (network, editors, email, music etc.) then packaged based distributions are best.

Don't pick a distribution just because it lets you do everything unless you NEED to do everything.

Installing Ubuntu 5.10 vs. FreeBSD 6.0

I recently installed Ubuntu 5.10 and FreeBSD 6.0 for use as a simple C development platform for a networking class I'm taking.

I was pleasantly suprised at how easy the Ubuntu installation went. Still not quite as simple as a Windows XP install, but a damn sight easier than FreeBSD 6.0 (I have also installed FreeBSD 4.x in the past), and (are you listening FreeBSDer's?) Xorg configured itself CORRECTLY the FIRST TIME without requiring any hand-editing of .confg files. The Ubuntu Gnome desktop looks fantastic right out of the box.

FreeBSD is still a great product for servers and CLI warriors, but setting up an acceptable Gnome or KDE desktop is still beyond the capabilities of semi-literate geek-wannabes like me.

Thanks Ubuntu - if anybody knocks off Windows, it will be you guys, because you understand the secret to reaching more users is to make the experience as painless as possible.

fedora - ubuntu

I did up a bit on switching from Fedora / Susu to Ubuntu, and why I thought it was a good idea.

http://www.onisland.ca/geek/linux/sonyvaio-fs640w [onisland.ca]

Evolution & how to get rid of it

I wish I knew.

I want to remove Evolution from my Ubuntu install but still haven't found a good guide to doing so.

Did I miss it in my searching. I did look at the Ubuntu forums a month or so back have things changed since then? There were some instructions but it didn't seem complete.

Ubuntu....

fucking sucks.

the founders of the project are freeloading on the Debian project.

Free software isn't about dancing in a multicultural circle, it's about providing quality code.

unbuntu hosed me

I tried to do a dualboot install w/ unbuntu and xp on my work laptop. this was a mistake. Thank God (in the most literal sense of the phrase) that I had my data on third partition. Chalk it up to operator error. Still, nobody told me it was a 5 hour install. Gave me an excuse to reformat and reinstall xp, though....

Lack of native WPA support = sad.

I'd always tell people about linux as an alternative to windows or OSX until I ran into the simple problem of getting it (numerous distros - red hat, SuSE, Debian, Knoppix, Ubuntu, etc.) to handle WPA wireless support. I'm fairly handy with linux and trying to get WPA support setup was a complete nightmare. I gave up on it for now as a matter of fact. How can I give a good recomendation of linux as an alternative OS when it doesn't even have good (or any) native WPA support? WEP is better than nothing, but not by much. What entry level user would want to spend time hacking on getting Ndiswrapper or another third party app. to be able to hook up to their own WPA enabled wireless network? Turning off WPA encryption isn't a sensible solution either. No normal user should have to go to this much time and trouble for such a simple and basic feature as WPA wireless support. Any OS that claims to be a reliable alternative desktop OS for your average or slightly above average user that doesn't have native WPA support is just... Sad. (*the wireless setup that I was using and trying to get WPA support on was in Ubuntu with a USB based wireless adapter from Airlink 101, the AWLL3026. Native linux driver set is Zydas1211. Ndiswrapper also seems to be workable with the native XP drivers. Yet I've still been unable to get working WPA support and I've spent more than 20 hours total on it. WPA supplicant with the Zydas1211 drivers have been the closest thing to working so far. I love the command line and all, but the complete lack of a good GUI based tool for WPA support is just sad. If any of you have had success with Ubuntu and the AWLL3026 adapter on getting working WPA support, please let me know.)

Ubuntu succes

I installed Ubuntu on many computers lately.It was very easy...except some minor dirver isues. They surf, send mail write watch movies...And many times I encounter same "post configuration" problems.My CD transfer is so slow...how can I install latest drivers for my nVidia card...nso. Sometimes I tnx god for Synaptic and Automatix...but sometimes you just can't use that. Ususaly this is when you have to modify scripts nso. I usualy write a bash script to install all those goodies to other people...I don't want to hang on the phone and tell them what to write in their bash shells. Then I was thinking ...Automatix was very succesful, Synaptic is also great for beginners...Why there isn't such thing as SCRIPT CREATION AND SHEARING ENVIRONMENT ? I mean ...instead of all those long forum talks and instructions...you could just paste a (*.sh) file and things done...for a certain distro.Then if I evolve my idea further...it should be something like synaptic...so you could download templates for configuration..(something like html with forms nso..) with full help support on the same page to make all your women totaly satisfied :)

I still have the feeling that an IT specialist writing a book about Ubuntu or Debian or Gentoo is just like a sexologist writing a book about making love with his wife Jenny...

...after config simple generation of scripts... I think this is a bit of topic...but maybe a good idea :) So this thing I'm taking about could replace Atuomatix and much more ? I don't have time to create such thing...The Idea came from Automatix and someone who posted a wlanconfig instructions which had automatic *.conf configuration. * template distribution (maybe even pool about usability) * simple composition of templates...to get text on a right place and help * shell script generation Why it should be like that ? Cause we all love shell and I realy don't want it to lose all the power like it happens sometimes in Suse Yast. Hope someone likes the Idea....and have time to realize it ...till then I'll just have to use my vi editor and man pages.

have lots of phun

Re:Why are COBOL programmers so sad?

???

Seems nobody can capitalize COBOL correctly anyway. Morons.

I think CoBoL Programmers are so sad because people cant capitalize their title properly.

Manager: "Hi Rob, this is the CEO"
CEO: "Nice to meet you Rob!"
Rob: "Hi!"
Manager: "Rob here is one of our top Cobol Programmers!"
Rob: ":( YOU DIDNT CAPITALIZE IT PROPERLY"
CEO: "YOU CANT SEE CAPITALIZATIONS IN SPOKEN WORD, YOU'RE FIRED!!!"
Rob: ":("

No wonder they are so sad. :(

Re:WOW

Yup, this is what it's all about. Why would I need cable TV, when I can get all my laughs right here?

Re:Why are COBOL programmers so sad?

Seems nobody can capitalize COBOL correctly anyway. Morons.

There, there. I know it's hard. Kids can be so case insensitivite at times.

Re:What about Security?

If you're after Windows users, simply making the switch constitutes a fairly high improvement in security in and of itself.