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Wicked Cool Perl Scripts

Posted by samzenpus on Wed Jun 28, 2006 02:34 PM
from the super-awesome-programming dept.
Michael J. Ross writes "Of all the popular programming languages now in use, Perl is perhaps the best suited for writing utilities — for several reasons, such as its text-processing capabilities, ease of addressing system resources, and minimal language overhead for input, output, list processing. It was designed to blend the rapid solution development of shell scripting with the powerful control constructs of third-generation languages. Consequently, Perl quickly became a favorite language for developing programs ranging from system administration utilities to CGI scripts that power Web sites. In fact, Perl has been called the glue that holds the Internet together. The tremendous flexibility and power of Perl is seen in Steve Oualline's book Wicked Cool Perl Scripts: Useful Perl Scripts That Solve Difficult Problems." Read the rest of Michael's review
Wicked Cool Perl Scripts
author Steve Oualline
pages 336
publisher No Starch Press
rating 8
reviewer Michael J. Ross
ISBN 1593270623
summary 47 useful Perl scripts for Web site management or CGI, Linux or Unix system administration, managing pictures, etc.


Published by the cleverly named No Starch Press, Wicked Cool Perl Scripts comprises 336 pages, spanning 11 chapters, with a brief introduction, as well as an index. The book appeared in February 2006, and was published under the ISBN of 1593270623. No Starch Press maintains a Web page for the book, where readers can find a sample chapter (the third one, covering CGI debugging), in PDF format. There is a link for downloading all of the source code.

The book presents 47 scripts, grouped into 11 categories: general-purpose utilities, Web site management, CGI debugging, CGI programs, Internet data mining, Unix system administration, picture utilities, games and learning tools, development tools, mapping, and regular expression graphing. The scripts perform such functions as finding duplicate files on your PC, converting currencies, processing error logs, generating jokes randomly, getting stock quotes, and managing photos and other images. Some of the scripts play games, while others would be invaluable to any Linux or Unix system administrator. For readers with their own Web sites, the book offers scripts for verifying links, locating orphan files, detecting hackers, and locking them out. In addition, there is a script for counting the number of visitors to your site, and even one for presenting a guest book. Software developers will find the material valuable, as there are Perl scripts for generating code, locating dead code, and handling regular expressions — parsing and graphing them.

The scripts themselves are fairly wide ranging in complexity and size, with a few fitting on a single page of the book, while others require more than ten pages. Fortunately, the scripts generally contain enough comments to be clear in how they work to any programmer comfortable with the language. Nonetheless, the author explains how to run each script, what sort of results the reader should see, how the script works, and what modifications one might want to make to it ("hacking the script"). In addition, every one of the scripts contains a POD (Plain Old Documentation) section, though only in the downloadable version — not the version seen in the book, to save space.

It is doubtful that any beginning Perl programmer might mistake this book for a Perl primer or reference. The title alone makes clear that the focus is on the offered scripts themselves, and their ability to help the reader solve common problems. On the other hand, Perl programmers of any level of fluency with the language would benefit from reading through the scripts, as well as the author's explanation of how they address and solve each problem. I myself have been programming in Perl for ages, and yet I spotted CPAN modules that I can use in my own Perl scripts in the future.

The value of the scripts themselves to each individual reader, naturally depends upon what sort of tasks the reader would like to accomplish with Perl. The 11 categories of scripts are varied enough so as likely to be of use to just about anyone who would like to use the "Swiss Army knife of languages" for getting the job done on their computer, or that of their employer (as a system administrator). Personally I found most useful the scripts for detecting changed files, scanning Web sites for dead links, and parsing regular expressions.

There are other aspects to like about this book. It has a RepKover binding, to lay flat when open. The illustrations are clear and not excessive in number. Unlike some technical authors, whose weak attempts at humor simply make their obtuse material more annoying, Oualline is more subtle, such as his reference to the cost of Microsoft Windows CDs in a Hong Kong shop, or "Ingesting a Cheerio nasally." Well, perhaps not always subtle, but invariably welcome in what could otherwise be an extremely dry subject.

Like any book, there are some areas for improvement, perhaps in future editions: In the illustrations that employ rays pointing from one node to the next, some of the curved rays are remarkably jagged, as if they were not computer-generated. Far more importantly, some of the scripts could benefit from more internal comments, as well as having the code broken up into smaller functions, which improves clarity and maintainability. Also, some of the variables and functions could use more descriptive names. For instance, using two examples from a randomly chosen page: $file_name would be more clear than $cur_file (is it the file's name, full path, or contents?). print_file_cell() would be better than do_file() (do what to the file?).

But aside from those weaknesses, Wicked Cool Perl Scripts is a fine book that would be of interest to any Perl programmer, regardless of their expertise. In fact, the administrator of a Web site or a Linux/Unix server, would not even have to know the language in order to download these Perl scripts, and use them to solve problems on the job.

Michael J. Ross is a freelance writer, computer consultant, and the editor of the free newsletter of PristinePlanet.com.


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  • Solve it (Score:5, Funny)

    by suso (153703) * on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:35PM (#15623381)
    (http://suso.suso.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday March 09 2004, @12:03AM)

    Useful Perl Scripts That Solve Difficult Problems.

    Heh, Steve Oualline. In his book on Vim, he had this example of code where the program comment went something like this:

    /*
    Program -- Solve it -- Solves the worlds problems.
    All of them. At once.
    This will be a great program when I finish it.
    */

  • Good Practice? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by neonprimetime (528653) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:37PM (#15623391)
    (http://twoturtlelovers.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday May 25, @03:01PM)
    In fact, the administrator of a Web site or a Linux/Unix server, would not even have to know the language in order to download these Perl scripts, and use them to solve problems on the job.

    Is these really that good of a practice though? Your pc's will be jam-packed with go you never wrote ... therefore you don't know what's actually going on with your own machines? Write your own scripts script kiddies.
    • Re:Good Practice? (Score:5, Insightful)

      Admins that download scripts off the Net without even checking to see how they work are a danger to themselves and others.
      [ Parent ]
    • yes and no (Score:5, Insightful)

      by JeanBaptiste (537955) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:40PM (#15623410)
      While it is important that the Admin completely understands what is going on.... theres no need to re-invent the wheel if someone else already went through the trouble of writing and testing it.
      [ Parent ]
    • Right, what's with people today, running programs other people have written? How can you be in control of your system if you didn't even write your own Operating System!!
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Good Practice? (Score:5, Insightful)

      In fact, the administrator of a Web site or a Linux/Unix server, would not even have to know the language in order to download these Perl scripts, and use them to solve problems on the job.
      Is these really that good of a practice though? Your pc's will be jam-packed with go you never wrote ... therefore you don't know what's actually going on with your own machines? Write your own scripts script kiddies.

      Let's try this from another angle.

      "In fact, the administrator of a Web site of Unix/Linux server would not even have to know the language in order to download Apache, compile it, and use it to serve pages."

      "Is this really that good of a practice though? Your PCs will be jam-packed with software you never wrote ... therefore you don't really know what's going on with your own machines. Write your own programs, kiddies."

      (I corrected your spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors as well.)

      Basically, your argument amounts to absolutely nothing, because it's no different from other programs. Do you REALLY think that admins typically vet every line of code on their systems? People don't live that long. Know what the difference is between a C program you don't understand, and a perl script you don't understand? The C program is compiled once, and the perl script is JIT-compiled ever time you run it.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Good Practice? by Abcd1234 (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:18PM
    • Re:Good Practice? by Evil Shabazz (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:33PM
    • Re:Good Practice? by formerly exchange fo (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @08:42PM
  • Sweet (Score:2, Funny)

    by Rethcir (680121) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:38PM (#15623397)
    These scripts are wicked friggen' pissah!
    • Re:Sweet by Rethcir (Score:1) Thursday June 29 2006, @01:06PM
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  • "Wicked" Cool? (Score:5, Funny)

    by necro81 (917438) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:40PM (#15623408)
    (Last Journal: Wednesday March 07 2007, @05:30PM)
    The author must be from Massachusettes, possibly the Cape?
  • Perl glue (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:41PM (#15623418)
    Perl has been called the glue that holds the Internet together.

    Hey, wait a minute! That's not glue... ewww... what is that? Larry, have you been touching yourself again?

    • Re:Perl glue by Dutchmaan (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:09PM
    • Re:Perl glue by tool462 (Score:3) Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:10PM
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  • by jizziknight (976750) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:43PM (#15623422)
    On Temple ov thee Lemur they have this crazy perl script [totl.net]. It's all on a single line and displays a realtime ASCII clock when run. Oh, it apparently also only runs on Linux.
    • Re:One of my favorites... by ajs318 (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:58PM
    • I'm not impressed (Score:4, Insightful)

      by cerelib (903469) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:29PM (#15623739)
      It seems as if all they did was wrote a basic clock program and then ran it through an obfuscator or two. You can get a few obfuscation modules on CPAN. Anybody can run a program through obfuscators. Ever tried to look at the google maps javascript [google.com]?
      [ Parent ]
  • Future wickedness (Score:5, Informative)

    Audrey Tang thinks that Perl6 may be here before Vista, possibly even by the holidays...
    http://pugs.blogs.com/pugs/2006/06/yapcna_talk.htm l [blogs.com]
    The slide show links show some terrifying code snippets.
    These Perl-merlins are wicked, indeed.
  • by mmell (832646) <mike.mell@sbcglobal.net> on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:48PM (#15623457)
    In this corner - advocates of Perl, the Pathologically Ecclectic Rubbish Collector (or something like that)

    In that corner - advocates of Ruby (I haven't got a clue on this one, folks)

    And in this corner - dinosaurs like myself who still think awk/sed/sh is a pretty neat thing. Wait a minute, that's three corners. Uh . . .

  • Perl? Bah! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:49PM (#15623471)
    Anyone worth their salt would use an AJAX web 2.0 implementation of ruby on rails with a J2EE backend running struts marked up with DXHTML all bound together with an XML-SOAP web service to do their system administration via a proxied web cache. Changing configs would just involve editing a little CSS.
    • Re:Perl? Bah! by richdun (Score:3) Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:22PM
      • Re:Perl? Bah! by wild_berry (Score:2) Thursday June 29 2006, @08:12AM
    • Re:Perl? Bah! by Capt James McCarthy (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:14PM
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  • Is this more useful (Score:4, Insightful)

    by stratjakt (596332) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:50PM (#15623475)
    (Last Journal: Sunday November 11, @09:31AM)
    Than googling for cool perl scripts?

    I'm asking seriously, because of all of the "cookbooks" and collection books of this sort that I've seen on the shelves at Borders, they're all full of things that a quick bit of googling could come up with. In fact, a little searching usually yields better solutions, and I'm convinced they're written by copy/pasting google results into the author's editor of choice.

    I'm all for good dead-tree reference material, but I've been frustrated trying to find books that don't contain stuff-i-already-know, or stuff-i-can-get-free on the 'net.

    I guess it can't be good for the dead tree tech manual industry, but so long as universities and colleges force students to buy the books (and a new revision of the same book every year), that's all fine and good.

    • Re:Is this more useful by Tankko (Score:3) Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:47PM
    • Well, by robogun (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:47PM
      • Re:Well, by accessdeniednsp (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @11:00PM
        • Re:Well, by accessdeniednsp (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @11:02PM
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    • Re:Is this more useful by Sean Riordan (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @11:50PM
    • Re:Is this more useful by chromatic (Score:1) Thursday June 29 2006, @03:51AM
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  • OB Ruby fanboyism (Score:2, Informative)

    You know, I love Perl. I've been using it for CGI stuff, for system-administration stuff, etc, for six or seven years now.

    In fact, the only things I haven't written in Perl during that time have been things that were either too lightweight (five line shell scripts) or too in need of structure (a free/Free clone of Advance Wars in Java).

    That said, every new script I've written so far this summer has been written in Ruby. I hate to sound like a Ruby fanboy, but I think Ruby is really a better perl than Perl.

    Ruby is good at everything that Perl is good at (regular expressions, CGI, process control, text munging) and has equally rich built-in libraries. However, Ruby is also good at the things that Perl isn't good at. You've got real objects when you want them. LISP-like things like iterators and closures. The works.

    Ruby's only major flaws at the moment are: 1) it doesn't have anything like CPAN (yet), and 2) interpreter speed is still fairly slow relative to older, more optimized interpreted languages like Perl or Python.

    I do agree that Steve Oualline is a badass, and that Perl is pretty wicked.

    But you fans of Perl should give Ruby a try, especially if you know some LISP or Scheme and occasionally miss Perl's difficulty in creating something as simple and rigid as a C struct.

    • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by Billosaur (Score:3) Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:15PM
      • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by Phroggy (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:27PM
        • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by Abcd1234 (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @05:38PM
        • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism (Score:4, Interesting)

          by esper (11644) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @05:55PM (#15624683)
          "Inside-out objects" can give you hard data hiding. Basically, instead of storing the object properties as keys of a blessed hash, you have a file-scoped (my) array for each property. Nothing outside of that file can access the data and the object becomes a blessed integer reference (used as an index into the property arrays) instead of the blessed hash reference that's normally taught. (This can also be implemented with hashes for each property and the blessed reference itself used as the hash key, but I tend to prefer the array version, since the lookups are a good deal faster.)
          [ Parent ]
        • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by myowntrueself (Score:3) Wednesday June 28 2006, @08:24PM
    • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by Abcd1234 (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:30PM
      • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism (Score:5, Insightful)

        by nuzak (959558) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:47PM (#15623867)
        I have those two reasons, but those are soft factors, nice-to-have, but not necessary. Unfortunately, I have a third:

        3) unicode

        I have to deal with lots of unicode, index it, run regexes on it, and so on. Ruby lacks any real unicode support, which has made it a deal-breaker.

        [ Parent ]
    • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:33PM
    • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by loquacious d (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:00PM
    • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by mypalmike (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:11PM
      • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:38PM
      • I've seen a lot of both.
        Really shitty, unreadable Perl that makes your head hurt. Stuff that was only designed to execute from top to bottom like a shell script and it only works in the context of some main file. Won't even run if you use sttrict.
        And beautiful, expressive object-oriented, properly packaged stuff that lets you plug and test it any which way. Stuff you aren't afraid to instrument, modify, or implement because you just understand the author's intent.

        They look almost like two different languages.

        Then again, I think this is what happen when you have languages that have a lot of built in functionality blessed with tersity and "reasonable defaults".

        You can't write spaghetti code in a more structured language like Java or C that does anything useful without code generation.

        Perl makes it possible even without syntax highlighting.
        It's _too easy_ on the programmer.

        *shrugs*

        It's like VB... except you had a web GUI with a simple "use CGI". And pervasive regular expressions (which, IMHO, is the thing that makes perl unreadable if you don't learn about the m//x modifier).
        In 1999.
        So anytime you go online searching google for a Perl script that does XYZ, you end up on one of those code-sharing sites full of "consultants" idiots and you've got the worst kind of code floating around there. Copy and pasted crap with no structure... just hacked up until it works.
        And Perl's permissiveness allows it to proliferate.

        I just write everything myself, or get it from CPAN.
        CPAN at least acts as a kind of quality control.

        If you want to see how to write or model your code, use CPAN modules as examples. You learn alot.
        [ Parent ]
    • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism (Score:4, Insightful)

      by glwtta (532858) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:14PM (#15624056)
      (http://slashdot.org/)
      You've got real objects when you want them. LISP-like things like iterators and closures. The works.

      I don't want this to degenerate into rabid fanboyism, but it seems the benefits of a "real" (or, real, if you preffer) object system over Perl's are routinely exaggerated. Yes, it could be better, but for 95% of the things you do, it works just fine.

      And of course Perl has iterators and closures (and first order functions, and all that other hard-to-maitain stuff the Functional crowd always goes on about). It's probably one of the things I like best about Perl, it just has features as part of the language, no one makes a huge deal of it.

      I've looked at Ruby (ok, glanced), and I just can't stomach the syntax - it's like writing Java in VB. Entirely subjective, of course. Though, as long as I live I will not understand this recent fad of trying your best not to delimit code blocks clearly - it smells of choosing ideology over utility.

      Definitely agree about the lack of "simple and rigid" struct-like things, I miss those often.

      And of course for anyone who wants a feature that Perl doesn't have, there's Perl 6 - that will have every feature that has existed in any language, ever.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by sheetsda (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:27PM
    • Ruby's syntax *SUCKS* by mangu (Score:3) Wednesday June 28 2006, @06:12PM
    • Re:OB Ruby fanboyism by chthon (Score:2) Thursday June 29 2006, @05:34AM
    • Re:Where is Ruby's CPAN? by metamatic (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @11:34PM
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  • Fine, but about the title... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by danelav (906834) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:56PM (#15623509)
    Why is it that every scripting book needs a title that sounds like it was written by a 14-year old?
  • ...every one of the scripts contains a POD (Plain Old Documentation) section, though only in the downloadable version -- not the version seen in the book, to save space.

    I thought these people got paid per page?

  • the relationship between Perl and C (Score:3, Informative)

    by kisrael (134664) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:12PM (#15623622)
    (http://kisrael.com/)
    I've been a street-taught Perl hacker since like 1993 or so.

    Only recently, despite having read a lot of the Perl books and hung around online a lot, I found about the history of Perl that I almost couldn't believe...that originally, it was just a glue language for a big honking chunk of Unix system calls, mostly written in C.

    My credulity is because Perl sometimes seems like the anti-C...especially in terms of handling strings, since my memory of C is using chararrays for everything.

    But it makes sense.... C offered blazing speed, and Perl was a great duct tape glue for all that. It's amazing that it had such quality memory management, string handling, associative arrays, and loosey goosey syntax for reg ex etc. But it's great.

    I think it falls apart once you get to the perl 5 object model, which I've never been able to really get my head around... but for anything that should be written programatically rather than structured from objects, it's really great.
  • Perl praise and beefs interspersed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tinker_taylor (618697) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:24PM (#15623704)
    (http://www.realsysadmin.com/)
    A humble Perl user's thoughts on this brouhaha --

    Praise
    =======

    1) The power of perl is irrefutable -- it helps slap together quick and clean solutions to irritating admin problems. The flip-side of being a perl jockey I guess is that one tends to try and create a solution to many a problem that already has a solution - because searching CPAN can be a pain at times.

    2) Use of the more flexible features of the languages (such as Hashes, hash of hashes etc) data/number munging and organization becomes more manageable.

    3) Using Perl's almost endless modules, a lot of relatively complicated tasks can be simplified.

    4) Annoyance factor of numerous tasks (especially Administrative and reporting) can be reduced drastically with the help of Perl.

    Beefs
    =====

    1) The beef I guess is that unlike Python or Perl's other competitors, Perl modules don't come tightly integrated with the core distro. Agreed that Perl probably has a lot more modules than any of those other languages do, but a larger than ordinary de facto distribution (why not include important modules like Digest::MD5, Crypt modules, SSH modules etc?) would be desirable (especially in those situations where you don't have access to the internet directly from within corporate networks and can't install the modules with the "perl -MCPAN -e shell" option) . There might be those Perl veterans who would say -- "build your own distro with your custom modules already packaged" -- and while that might be a very smart thing to do, many a time (when one keeps moving from one environment to another -- some call it job hopping, it helps to be able to download one single perl distro package or rpm or the source+compile and have basic administrative scripts work -- especially those that rely on centralized automation (ssh-based trusts, copies across the network, etc).

    2) Also, perl's syntax can be terse and difficult for noobies to understand (or even older perl-hands for that matter -- when someone has written code without appropriate comments, etc).

    3) Tinkering with Python recently, I found it's simplicity refreshing and it's syntax easier to comprehend (especially when compared with Perl's (imho) complicated "scoping" requirements, etc).

    4) Sometimes (and I guess it depends on the person writing the code) Perl tends to over-complicate things that can be easily handled via Shell scripts.
  • by JoshDM (741866) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:27PM (#15623714)
    (http://www.joshdm.com/ | Last Journal: Friday February 16 2007, @11:14AM)
    ...now if it was Wicked Awesome, I'd be more inclined!
  • NOT Worth While (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:34PM (#15623776)
    If you've hacked Perl for over a year this book is major disapointment. The examples are all largely available elsewhere and relatively uninspired things such as simple CGI web counters. Buy some O'Reilly stuff instead.
  • Write yes, read not so much (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Sarusa (104047) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:40PM (#15623816)
    'Of all the popular programming languages now in use, Perl is perhaps the best suited for writing utilities'. I would probably agree with this - you can very easily hack out a very simple utility to do something with less effort and code than in Ruby or Python. Of course if you ever need to read it again, or god forbid extend it, then the extra effort you put in up front may pay off.

    Yes, I know you can write very readable maintainable perl. In theory. The only example of this I have ever seen is the Calcium web calendar. But whenever our perl guy writes something it looks more like
        ($l=join("",))=~s/.*\n/index($`,$&)>=$[||print$&/g e;
    (stolen from http://www.antipope.org/charlie/attic/perl/one-lin er.html [antipope.org]) and if he has to touch it again a month later it's a dangerous thing.

  • My Ex-Language (Score:5, Funny)

    by tedhiltonhead (654502) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:42PM (#15623832)
    Perl is like my ex-girlfriend... I used to be all over her^H^H^Hit but am now fawning over the knockout redhead Ruby. Unfortunately, I had several children with my ex that still need to be cared for -- feature improvements, bugfixes, restarts. Hopefully one day they'll grow up and leave the house so Ruby can have me all to herself.

    • Re:My Ex-Language (Score:5, Interesting)

      by esconsult1 (203878) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:24PM (#15624132)
      (http://www.hotpricelist.com/ | Last Journal: Monday April 22 2002, @12:06PM)
      So right.

      Look over the perl 6 syntax and the increased punctuation, then compare to Ruby. I've been working with perl now for about 10 years or more, and Ruby has replaced or supplanted all my Perl work over the last several months. No going back. Not even bothering to learn Perl 6. CPAN is sweet, but so much is already built into ruby's standard libs.

      Ruby syntax is clean. Real OOP. Self documenting. No way I'm going back, especially not for Perl 6, which is too much, and too late.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:My Ex-Language by SanityInAnarchy (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @07:38PM
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  • Evil Perl (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Michael Woodhams (112247) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:46PM (#15623859)
    (Last Journal: Monday August 20, @06:53PM)
    Version 1:
    @a{($b=pop)=~/\w/g}=@a=0..9;$a="@{[keys%a]}";sub
    a{@a?map@a=(a(@_,pop@a),@a),1..@a:($_="$b
    ",eval"y,$a,@_,",/\b0/)||eval&pop}a

    Version 2:
    while($_=$a=pop){/([a-z])/i?map{($t=$a)=~s/$1/$_/g ;$a!~/$_/&&push@ARGV,"$t
    "}0..9:/\b0\d/||eval&&print}

    They do the same thing. I'll post what that is in a follow-up, for the sake of any masochists who want to figure it out for themselves.
    • Re:Evil Perl (Score:5, Informative)

      by Michael Woodhams (112247) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:53PM (#15623908)
      (Last Journal: Monday August 20, @06:53PM)
      They are brute-force alphametics solvers. Save either into a file (say "s") then:
      $ perl s send+more==money
      9567+1085==10652
      9567+1085==10652

      If anyone can shorten either of these programs (even by one byte) please let me know. If you do, and you're geographically close enough, I'll buy you lunch. (Watch for bugs with numbers with leading zeros.)

      Version 1 is 133 bytes, version 2 is 103 bytes. Version 1 is almost entirely my own work, and contains a nifty recursive permutation generator. Version 2 was produced by someone else in response to my challenge, and then further compressed a bit by me.

      Unfortunately, the Obfuscated Perl Contest has disappeared (although these are principally compressed rather than obfuscated.)
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Evil Perl by Michael Woodhams (Score:2) Thursday June 29 2006, @08:27PM
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    • Re:Evil Perl by Michael Woodhams (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @05:32PM
    • Re:Evil Perl by shish (Score:2) Wednesday June 28 2006, @11:57PM
      • Re:Evil Perl by Michael Woodhams (Score:2) Thursday June 29 2006, @06:03PM
    • Re:Evil Perl by Tsiangkun (Score:1) Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:33PM
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  • by GatorMan (70959) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:52PM (#15623901)
    I mean really, this was worthy of a book? Couldn't these things have been covered in a linux/unix/web admin forum? Rather, *aren't* these things covered in such a way already? Am I asking too many questions?
  • Worst language for writing utilities (Score:1, Insightful)

    by slabh (878052) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:53PM (#15623911)
    Of all the popular programming languages now in use, Perl is perhaps the best suited for writing utilities -- for several reasons...

    With its awful syntax, Perl is arguably the worst language for writing any utilites. Python and Ruby are a lot better.

  • Perl is VB (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 28 2006, @04:22PM (#15624114)
    I'll preface by saying that there's nothing inherently wrong with VB or with Perl. The problem occurs because both *can* foster poor programming practices. Both have an immense library of functions that allow novice scripters to hack together scripts that can perform a function. There may not be any overall design, but for lots of folks, this is more than enough. The problem occurs when you try to maintain that code (either Perl of VB) and you realize that people have pulled together modules (or ActiveX contols) that do the job, but are probably the worst or next-to-worst way of doing things. In other words, Perl and VBs downfall is their success.

    It just seems that other languages (Java, Ruby, Python) are more rigorous -- maybe because the learning curve is *slightly* higher. It's easier to write proper code in these languages because the design of the language almost enforces it.
  • Perl Necklace? (Score:2, Funny)

    by Col Bat Guano (633857) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @05:08PM (#15624427)
    If Perl is the glue that holds the Internet together, what does a Perl necklace hold together?
  • C is the glue... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Fleeced (585092) <fleeced@ma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Wednesday June 28 2006, @05:23PM (#15624505)
    In fact, Perl has been called the glue that holds the Internet together.

    That's not true. C was considered the glue of the Internet... Perl is the gaffa tape.
  • by Borf (18392) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @05:31PM (#15624555)
    I'm giving in this time.

    I work in a shop where we maintain (after last count) 112,002 lines of perl in a single system (which also contains about half a million lines of C).

    Guess what? It's not a problem! Not in the slightest!
    And you know why?

    - Modules
    - Coding conventions
    - Mature programmers

    Two of those three are redundant. Take a guess which ones (the third item isn't part of the anwer set).

    If you take a programmer that writes disciplined, careful, extensible, extendable and professional C - are they going to start generating hacked up crap when they switch to Perl? No. They're not. They split source among modules. They use naming conventions. They use strict. They use the namespaces. They use clear syntax. The end result looks almost like C most of the time. Except when it doesn't, 'cause it's Perl.

    What does C written by hack-job Perl "programmers" look like?

    Rephrasing #37 - "It ain't the arrow, it's the (Native American)".
  • naming conventions (Score:1)

    by nephridium (928664) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @07:13PM (#15625029)
    "do_file()"??? - I knew geeks were desperate, but THIS desperate?
  • Most of the reviews I've read of this book have not been particularly positive. Get "Perl Hacks" [perl.org] instead. Or Randal's Perls of Wisdom [perl.org] ... Or the Cookbook [perl.org] ...
  • by ramar (575960) on Thursday June 29 2006, @11:36AM (#15628584)
    You can download the code (or purchase a PDF cheaper than the dead tree version) here: http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=wcps [nostarch.com] Gotta love a published that has the balls to make the code available for free. I've got the Wicked Cool Shellscripts book, but find grep'ing the source a much handier way to recall examples.
  • Re:All I want to know is... (Score:5, Funny)

    by neonprimetime (528653) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @02:41PM (#15623415)
    (http://twoturtlelovers.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday May 25, @03:01PM)
    The Book? Of course ... but you'd need a power supply, motherboard, hard drive, processor, & memory
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  • Re:Overhyped (Score:2, Interesting)

    by maximthemagnificent (847709) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @03:08PM (#15623582)
    I learned perl coming from a c++, Java background and I found it really, really ugly.
    Not that I've learned any other scripting languages to have some comparison, admittedly.
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  • What the hell man, it's a book review. Since when is it a slow news day when Slashdot puts one of it's many, community contributed book reviews on the front page?

    *Sigh* Why am I bothering, you're just a troll...
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  • Re:Clarification (Score:4, Interesting)

    You're argument against Perl is:
    1. Slashdot is written in Perl.
    2. I don't understand the error message I got when attempting to post on Slashdot.
    3. Therefore, Perl code is incomprehensible and unmaintainable.


    You, sir, are a veritable fount' of wisdom...</sarcasm>
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  • Re:Clarification (Score:4, Insightful)

    by mrsbrisby (60242) on Wednesday June 28 2006, @06:20PM (#15624818)
    (http://nimh.org/)
    Seriously. Incomprehensible and unmaintainable code can be written in any language, but in Perl even good code is unreadable.

    It can be unreadable, but that doesn't mean that it is. Code can be good for lots of reasons- not just legibility :)

    Perl is probably the language with the highest chance of accepting the output of a random number generator as a valid program.

    That honor belongs to sendmail; We used to offhook the telephone couplers whenever someone had messed sendmail.cf up to get a good working setup from the line noise that'd leak through.
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