Have I got it wrong? Aren't "natural gas emissions" from cows a leading source of methane in the USA? You think the right-wing is riled up over coal and oil, just try and take away their BBQ.
Cute. Threatening to take people's food away has never led anywhere good. Telling them to eat stuff grown in a lab instead is a meme out of Isaac Asimov's books, not a serious public policy proposal.
Man has been eating farmed livestock for tens of thousands of years. Doing so confers survival benefits, unlike smoking cigarettes or gambling. Calling it a "sin" betrays the religious cult nature of modern environmentalism.
Shifting from beef to pork and chicken does not fuck up survival. Personally, as it is, I don't eat much beef due to the price. Had pork chops for dinner tonight, chicken yesterday.
Everything is bad for the climate. You people are literally exhorting society to stop having children. You're that hostile yo human prosperity that you're asking (sometimes demanding) voluntary extinction when you're not demanding deliberate impoverishment.
Define "cut down." I make myself a nice pot of beef stew maybe twice a month and have BBQ beef kebabs a maybe a twice a month at most during the summers. It's not like I inject myself with beef three times a day.
But maybe I'll up my intake if it gives *you* a heart attack because I don't recall having ceded the right to eat the food I want to busybody control freaks telling me how to behave because climate/racism/Koran/Talmud/Book of Mormon/FSM says so.
Mind your own fucking business and clean up the mess in
We do not "just tax" anything. We have elections, and if there are more people that do not want a beef tax than those that do then there will not be a beef tax.
This goes for anything else that people think we can "just tax". The only certain way to get people to replace one thing with another is to have the alternative offer more benefits with fewer downsides.
If people were serious about lowering methane emissions then they'd be building nuclear power plants to replace natural gas for electricity generati
I guess I do live in a world opposite yours. I live in a world where the Democrat party put in their platform support for building new nuclear power plants. This is after nearly 50 years of opposing it.
Why would the Democrats change their mind on nuclear power? Could it be because the voters changed their minds on nuclear power? I would think so.
I believe it was in Arizona that a ballot initiative was voted on in the last election which would have been very favorable to wind and solar, and nuclear power
Anybody who cares about climate wants to tax beef and fossil fuel.
People who care about their ability to buy food and medicine for their children are not going to vote themselves into poverty. Saving the planet for their grandchildren will mean nothing if their children are left dead or sterile from a lack of money to buy necessities.
People care about global warming, just not near as much as the cost of energy. The Democrats know this, and that's why they no longer oppose new nuclear power plants being built.
Voters have learned that nuclear power is a low CO2 option bec
It's not a choice about choosing between poverty and caring about the climate. What gave you the impression it was?
We have nuclear power. Nuclear power will give us energy that is both clean and inexpensive. Because the Democrats opposed nuclear power for so long they forced this choice between clean energy and low cost energy. With the Democrats no longer opposing nuclear power this choice between one or the other is gone, we can have both now.
This Democrat opposition isn't completely gone. The Democr
You make it sound very emotive but the reality is we have been going down this path for decades anyway. Do you think the cheap meat that many people have to rely on is all natural grass-fed goodness?
For many people switching from mechanically recovered head meat chicken nuggets or hormone-grown factory farmed beef to something lab grown would be a major improvement in diet. So would switching to a more plant based menu.
In any problem, if you find yourself doing an infinite amount of work,
the answer may be obtained by inspection.
So Quit Eating Beef? (Score:3)
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Cute. Threatening to take people's food away has never led anywhere good. Telling them to eat stuff grown in a lab instead is a meme out of Isaac Asimov's books, not a serious public policy proposal.
Sin Tax. (Score:2)
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Just tax the fuck out of beef like they do with cigarettes and booze. Problem solved.
Because people now no longer drink or smoke? What specific problem do you think would be solved? I'd love to see your working...
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Man has been eating farmed livestock for tens of thousands of years. Doing so confers survival benefits, unlike smoking cigarettes or gambling. Calling it a "sin" betrays the religious cult nature of modern environmentalism.
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Shifting from beef to pork and chicken does not fuck up survival. Personally, as it is, I don't eat much beef due to the price. Had pork chops for dinner tonight, chicken yesterday.
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Re: Sin Tax. (Score:2)
Everything is bad for the climate. You people are literally exhorting society to stop having children. You're that hostile yo human prosperity that you're asking (sometimes demanding) voluntary extinction when you're not demanding deliberate impoverishment.
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Re: Sin Tax. (Score:2)
Define "cut down." I make myself a nice pot of beef stew maybe twice a month and have BBQ beef kebabs a maybe a twice a month at most during the summers. It's not like I inject myself with beef three times a day.
But maybe I'll up my intake if it gives *you* a heart attack because I don't recall having ceded the right to eat the food I want to busybody control freaks telling me how to behave because climate/racism/Koran/Talmud/Book of Mormon/FSM says so.
Mind your own fucking business and clean up the mess in
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We do not "just tax" anything. We have elections, and if there are more people that do not want a beef tax than those that do then there will not be a beef tax.
This goes for anything else that people think we can "just tax". The only certain way to get people to replace one thing with another is to have the alternative offer more benefits with fewer downsides.
If people were serious about lowering methane emissions then they'd be building nuclear power plants to replace natural gas for electricity generati
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I guess I do live in a world opposite yours. I live in a world where the Democrat party put in their platform support for building new nuclear power plants. This is after nearly 50 years of opposing it.
Why would the Democrats change their mind on nuclear power? Could it be because the voters changed their minds on nuclear power? I would think so.
I believe it was in Arizona that a ballot initiative was voted on in the last election which would have been very favorable to wind and solar, and nuclear power
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Anybody who cares about climate wants to tax beef and fossil fuel.
People who care about their ability to buy food and medicine for their children are not going to vote themselves into poverty. Saving the planet for their grandchildren will mean nothing if their children are left dead or sterile from a lack of money to buy necessities.
People care about global warming, just not near as much as the cost of energy. The Democrats know this, and that's why they no longer oppose new nuclear power plants being built.
Voters have learned that nuclear power is a low CO2 option bec
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It's not a choice about choosing between poverty and caring about the climate. What gave you the impression it was?
We have nuclear power. Nuclear power will give us energy that is both clean and inexpensive. Because the Democrats opposed nuclear power for so long they forced this choice between clean energy and low cost energy. With the Democrats no longer opposing nuclear power this choice between one or the other is gone, we can have both now.
This Democrat opposition isn't completely gone. The Democr
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You make it sound very emotive but the reality is we have been going down this path for decades anyway. Do you think the cheap meat that many people have to rely on is all natural grass-fed goodness?
For many people switching from mechanically recovered head meat chicken nuggets or hormone-grown factory farmed beef to something lab grown would be a major improvement in diet. So would switching to a more plant based menu.